I am looking for a new machine and as originally thinking the profitec 700 was the best engineered ( after watching a review from USA.) After watching another review I now think the Lelit is far superior. I am really confused. I was initially put off by the lelit as the mushroom was not stainless steel but the engineering and design seem amazing and good value as well. The flow paddle gives an interesting novel feature which in a way mimics a lever machine. I can see very little against it . My priorities are: 1. a good extraction 2. well designed 3. easy to service 4. quality components 5. spares easy to obtain 6. reliable Which one should i go for to fit those criteria please?

@"coffeealex"#p25735 I do not know anything about Profitec, but Bianca will serve you very well. It hasn’t disappointed the Bianca owners, who are plenty here. @"Cuprajake"#144 was one happy owner until acquiring Evo. Edit Please review some of the Bianca threads here https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/?q=bianca

If I had to choose between bianca and pro-700, I’d go Bianca. Better value for money, more features. If I had to choose between Bianca and Pro-700 with flow control, and money was no objection… I think I’d still go with the Bianca for some of the features and a flow control valve which is easier to maintain. I owned a Pro-700 in the past. It was a good machine. But it’s been essentially the same machine for ages now. Apart from the upgrade in steam boiler pressure to 2 bar, I don’t think there was much else. Saying all of the above, Lelit has been taken over by the Breville group. That may sway in your decision.

> @"MediumRoastSteam"#p25745 Saying all of the above, Lelit has been taken over by the Breville group. That may sway in your decision. Thanks for that. Lelit was the one i was going for. The Breville bit does make me pause but then I am thinking that the current model has been designed by Lelit with input from some very clever people and so essentially is Lelit more than Breville

Very very happy Bianca owner here. However! I almost never really use the flow control. It can be fun to play around with profiling and see how it affects different beans but I get such incredible shots without touching the flow control I don’t bother 99% of the time. I’m not sure if Lelit do a dual boiler without flow control but if they did and I was buying again I’d go for that. No complaints about the machine though, a joy to use and own and not a single issue with it in coming up to a year of owning it.

> @"Ernie1"#p25748 I’m not sure if Lelit do a dual boiler without flow control but if they did and I was buying again I’d go for that. The Elizabeth: https://www.bellabarista.co.uk/lelit-elizabeth-pl91t.html

@"Ernie1"#p25748 THank you> I think i probably would not use the flow control often . Did think it might come in useful if I wanted a weaker shot or just to experiment with it. Encouraging to hear you are pleased with it and with no issues.

I like the Bianca so much I have 2 of them….it's a fine machine, I don't think you will be disappointed with your choice.

Bianca is a very clever machine, I loved mine

I think I know the 2 videos you are referring to, no love lost between those two! I've had the Bianca for about a month now and I'm all in on flow control. The Slayer style shots have been working great! The v3 Bianca does a few things the Pro700 doesn't thanks to the electronics/LCC and I love the way it looks, as does my wife (most importantly). I've yet to try the half pressure pump start/preinfusion on the LCC, been doing it all manually so far.

I've had my Bianca for a couple of years now and still love it. I use the flow control with every shot. I had to replace the T-shaped hose fittings as the originals disintegrated. Also I needed a new safety valve but it was pretty easy to replace. Lots of help and advice here on the forum. The biggest thing for me was the flow control valve needed replacing. It wasn't cheap but it was my fault. I failed to do the routine maintenance so an expensive lesson learned.

Lelit Bianca or profitec 700.

delta76

MediumRoastSteam

very late to the party (almost one year too late), but homegrounds are basically “spec review”. i.e. they don’t even get their hands on the machine, let alone using it and going in depth like @DavecUK does. only stock photos is a give away. I would not poke their “reviews” with a ten feet pole

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