Hi,
I’m almost dead set on Bianca v3, coming from a Lelit Elizabeth (bought mostly due to review from @DavecUK ), then I saw Crem One 2B R-LFPP Dual which more or less the same in features, look is subjective but the Crem is even somewhat “smarter” than Bianca (OLED display, user upgradable firmware), bigger boilers. it is also highly praised by Dave,
Why is it not more “popular”? If the two are more or less then same in price, what would you choose?
I had the cream before the Bianca sadly mine was faulty. Some had an issue with the pump making an horrible noise.
Bar that a very clever machine, if you are looking at profilers there also the ACS Vesuvius
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It turns out the Crem was made in China, even with Italian parts. that would be a downside for many (me included).
sent right back was brand new,
after the crem i went to a new londinium lr24, that too was faulty so that got sent back, i refurbed the lindinium l1 i had, then had the bianca v2, but a good priced evo leva came up on coffeeforums, so i jumped at that, had that a year or so, then decided i waned a change and went back to the bianca v3 this time.
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Interesting, what a journey. That sounds like some of the best endorsement for Bianca - v3 at least.
“You keep coming back, for more”
reality is when you have £2000 ish budget theres not that much about which is mind blowing really, but its a good machine, i dont find it as temp stable as the evo, but it has more shot options and a quieter pump, the pump noise being my main driving force…
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yeah but then you’re at the whim of a dipper or hx design..
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As long as it makes great espresso and powerful steam, it does not really matter right?
delta76 As long as it makes great espresso and powerful steam, it does not really matter right?
If your replying to Jakes comment, it does a little bit. It’s nice to be able to see the temperature, control temperature, keep it stable and not have to worry about a single boiler design and trying to compromise with brew temperature and steam power.
DavecUK makes senses. when I think about it we can’t quickly change the temp on Pro 800, and definitely not without affecting the steam power. So that at least put my mind at ease as I can’t afford Pro 800 at my home.
If I am back to my original question, I think I have half of my answer, sort of. The product name is terrible (unappealing/cryptic), the product is made in China which puts off some potential buyer. But is that enough for it to be unpopular? Or it is (popular), I just don’t see it.
the decent?
if so watch lances newest vid, interesting watch
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Cuprajake no, the one in the title, Crem One 2B R-LFPP Dual. Decent on the other hand, is very popular one
Admittedly my view is limited but Crem is not a very popular brand. Then they put a terrible name, One 2B R-LFPP Dual. it’s just terrible. to remember, to write, and definitely, to pronounce.
delta76 Admittedly my view is limited but Crem is not a very popular brand. Then they put a terrible name, One 2B R-LFPP Dual. it’s just terrible. to remember, to write, and definitely, to pronounce.
I have one and mine is very nice, but production seemed to have some issues when it was bought out and also all contacts with the development team were lost to solve problems. The pump noise was easily solvable…but there was no one left to talk to about it.
I was not aware - so it seems they were Expobar before, got bought out, probably renamed to Crem and moved production to China?
It’s kid of sad I must admit I was interested in it after reading your reviews. They had a very nice machine but it went nowhere because of business decisions
delta76 Expobar were bought out by Crem. Crem were purchased by Wellbuilt and then someone else purchased Wellbuilt.
Ha, interesting. Just looked it up and you might mean
Welbilt. I am glad Lelit is allowed to keep their brand and business, both engineering and sales after the acquisition by Breville
DavecUK Wellbuilt and then someone else purchased Wellbuilt.
https://www.aligroup.it/our-business/our-brands/
They also own Rancilio in their coffee machine segment.
The cream had sooo much potential.
If you want a gear pump profiler and are in the EU. Ask acs about the Vesuvius. £2000 ish from memory.
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