I am sure that this argument has been discussed many times before, and will be discussed many times going into the future. What I am looking for, is folks who have either had or got both at the same time. I have. At the start of lock down 1, I had a Clima Pro and a Niche. The Pro was brand new and barely run in. My coffee habit always has been folks dropping in and out in a day, therefore the convenience of running a hopper fed grinder appealed. When you run this system, you have to accept tolerances of probably + or - 1 gram or more. Single dosing does away with this but then a whole new shot routine comes in. When was the last time you saw them single dose, invert into the pf. Level, stir, genuflect etc etc........and all for what? So, back on topic, I decided to put the 2 Grinders up against each other for a good few weeks. The result was that the CP won hands down in most aspects, but the Niche for me, edged it in the taste test. So, my question is, can any other dual on owner, give me their thoughts on the same bean in a flat v conical taste off please?

@"dfk41"#p3294 - I'm interested in knowing the results here. But, it's important to specify what beans one are using, as it might be that one type of grinder is more suitable (taste wise) for a given type of bean and roast profile. As an example, and no offence, as we all know taste is subjective and thankfully we all don't have the same tastes, for myself at least, there's no point the Niche being the "winner" if the beans were dark roasted. I'm not a fan of those, so any results of such comparison are meaningless, to me at least. @"dfk41"#p3294 - I assume your comparison was using dark roasted beans?

Same here. I hope experienced folks who have or have had the luxury of using both will chip in. I know views / recollection based on memory is not ideal. I am looking at light to medium roasts. Edit : I can see myself getting an electrical grinder. Flat or Conical is the biggest dilemma, although my heart says Flat! 😊

The one thing that does concern me is the cognoscenti who make pronunciations on a grinder or grinders, it's performance, the coffee….in a video lasting 20 minutes, and you never see unedited video of: * The grinders grinding shots * actual weight in/out * them opening the burr chamber and to show you what's inside * how you clean it and what really comes out * how you remove the burrs/carriers * the shots made by the grinder using a naked portafilter I personally think the way grinder reviews are done is appalling, and how anyone can use them to make a decision is beyond me. I guess it was similar for machine reviews, before I appeared on the scene and started removing the cases….which is now commonplace.

i cant really talk conical vs flat, but i can deffo say stock flat vs ssp burrs are different again, i find the stock burrs more acidic, were the ssp bring more sweetness and clarity.

@"Cuprajake"#p3311 @"Cuprajake"#p3311 what kind of ssp burrs and in what grinder? hu/multipurpose/unimodal

Yes, I use darker beans, so I suggest a description and photo. Not dark be definition but certainly medium and a bit more. I always take @"DavecUK"#1 as a measuring point and he drinks medium and a bit lighter yet uses the Niche and is a super taster!

hi, 83mm hu ssp in a mazzer major :)

@"Cuprajake"#p3311 What a combo? Sorry for being nosy! How much did that set you back, if I may ask, please ? You don’t have to answer, if you don’t want to. Thx Jake.

the grinder was a 2019 model off ebay im sure it was £240 del then the burrs were $350usd and i dont think i got import tax on them, but could be wrong so about £500 in total, i did have a wong doserless kit at one point, but went to a funne [upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/fwI3vUi.jpeg ]

@"Cuprajake"#p3348 That’s a cracking deal for the 2019 model. Well done! 👏

Flat versus Conical

MWJB

I have too many hand grinders. Using one with a good fit, finish, feel & low retention, definitely makes it the most likely one that I will reach for (in my case that’s a Feldgrind), but even the established £50-£60 hand grinders (Porlex, Hario Slim, Rhino) grind well enough for perfectly good cups of filter…just much more slowly.

Most of the time though, I’ll use my Niche Zero, or Wilfa flat. After several years of only hand grinding (often over 100g a day, 42-80g at a time) hand grinding is something I do when I get the motivation.

MWJB

JonWoo187 I also gladly state that the modern take/fad with machine function, burr changes, etc. is geared toward making ‘cutting edge’ underdeveloped coffees more palatable.

I don’t believe that people like underdeveloped coffee roasts, maybe a little more likely to drop into with light roasts, but certainly not common and a very prominent/easy to detect fault with light roasts, still occurs with medium roasts too.

Underdeveloped roasts are usually lacking in sweetness, muddled flavour characteristics, umami/savoury notes.

DavecUK

whinmoor85 I was always under the impression that the Nordic light roasters (Tim Wendelboe, Coffee Collective) were well regarded roasters.

I think they are, their roasting style focusses (at least Tims) on ensuring the coffee is developed. Rather than simple roasting lighter by roasting for less time. Unfortunately some roasters don’t develop the roast enough.

dfk41

I have ben using my Zero for a couple of weeks, with a medium plus roasted bean. It is all I have drunk in that time. On Monday, I am going to revert back to the Duo, so ought to be in a position to notice the differences……!

JonWoo187

Dusk Definitely something very well made makes all the effort worth it every day!

tompoland

JonWoo187

That may the best engineered hand grinder in the world. Had one and they are quite extraordinary and not easy to come but either. Now I know why you like hand grinding.

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