DF83V (expect the unexpected)

I am probably late to the game as usual on this thread but I question the value of this grinder from the point of view, that you are paying a substantial whack of money out then expecting to spend more. I presume the burrs are aftermarket specials. The Niche Duo came with industry recognised Mazzer burrs that the designers deemed quite fit for purpose without the need to change. What this grinder is saying is that in order to get ‘better’ coffee you will need to spend more by replacing the burrs with very expensive atom splitting burr sets, so loved by many.

You could make infinite cups of coffee using the stock burrs or whatever burrs you fancy, knowing that so many would be happy and so many would only be happy if they thought the burrs were the latest things…..in other words what is one mans meat is another mans poison and all based on opinion

i wasnt on about the burrs

Cuprajake Why did you think I thought you were?

sorry should of tagged daniel

Cuprajake In my day, tag was a playground game , or was it tig!

Cuprajake sorry yes I get you. Just making the point that I’m not too worried about the off/on switch in the short term.

Could end up regretting, but reckon it’ll be pretty decent for the price, and maybe apart from that power switch not particularly ugly IMHO… like I mentioned mostly just glad to be getting my EVO back after a long forced break!

danielpugh like I mentioned mostly just glad to be getting my EVO back after a long forced break!

So pleased!

LMSC trying to explain that you have two coffee machines, but they are both in different countries for the foreseeable was getting tiring :-)

I love my niche, but v60 is not where it is at its best either..

Gone through 700 filters - time for a change!

dfk41 I am probably late to the game

You always late to the game bruh. What’s the deal

drdre89 Better late than never eh?

A Review. Got it free. Didn’t like the button.

danielpugh I was up at 2am so watched it. Yet another influencer who tells us that even though he has not tried the espresso burrs with anything but the light beans he likes, he knows they will do a good job on medium and darker roasted beans! I wonder if he knows this weeks lottery numbers? Looked a ball ache swapping between filter and espresso but it did have some nice features. Once again though, the reviewer totally failed to deal with the variable rpm aspect though in fairness I have not really seen anyone attempt to do this topic justice

There was a review I watched yesterday as well:

As always I treats them with a pinch of salt but he does touch on the variable rpm

This grinder looks very interesting. I’m torn between the preorder price (with your discount code) and hanging on until the grinder has been in peoples hands for a while. Any thoughts on the burr upgrades? Worth spending on for predominantly espresso based drinks with the odd brew?

I’ve been looking for a grinder for a while, and on the verge of getting a df83. I’m a sucker for a decent discount, and cant afford a bentwood or EK, so an easy decision for me.

For you it presumably depends on all sorts of factors like what you have now, financial circumstances, etc.

I suspect the price won’t change too much unless there is huge demand, so waiting for the inevitable v.2 in 6 months may be sensible. That said, no idea what would change. Maybe the springs, power button and loosening the dial seem to be the main review suggestion (across the two reviews). Bound to be more feedback relatively soon…

Using a NZ and love the work flow and ease, but would also love to compare coffees across different burrs. The duo is an obvious option, but the df83v looks really interesting. Like the idea of playing with grind speed as well. May be a gimmick which does nothing in the cup, but it is interesting. Wondering on what the prevailing opinion is on the stock burrs vs eg SSP HU burrs for mostly espresso based drinks with occasional brew. Worth the upgrade?

thewelshvet personally going with stock espresso. The SSP are super expensive, and the stock are apparently decent. Would like to try lab sweet/cast at some point, but going to get some use out of stock first..

Looks oddly like a budget philios….

This is going to reignite the old stalling debate again..

If you use a low RPM and cold start with some beans on a fine setting it then it will stop and not restart until you reset it (which defaults to a higher RPM) and use a coarser setting.

Whether it’s technically a stall or a “failsafe” doesn’t really matter to most users, it just sounds like a PITA.

Also the dial marker (which also secures the dial and stationary burr) looks like it’s easily moved as demonstrated in the video a couple of times, but wasn’t mentioned.

Like with other DFs it looks like it has it’s quirks and odd design decisions, and it was definitely pushed out quickly at the expense of some more R&D.

FadedFrontiers Whether it’s technically a stall or a “failsafe” doesn’t really matter to most users, it just sounds like a PITA.

What really matters is a grinder used within the range of parameters given, should not stall on light/medium roasted coffees….ever!

We have disappointingly moved into an age where in the interests of saving money and wanting to believe so hard what the influencers say in validating our cost saving purchase, we are willing to accept as reasonable:

• The requirements to hot start grinders before adding beans
• Stalling (let’s call it what it is)
• Unknown Chinese burr quality
• Unknown actual burr life of these Chinese coated burrs
• Unknown level/longevity of support (what happens with older models when new updated ones are released almost quarterly.
• Who it actually making these grinders
• How much are they tested…from my observations, they don’t seem to be tested well.

Ah though Dave, the influencers are suggesting to us that a hot start is the way to go……in fact if you do not hot start there is something wrong with your routine…….I think that that is very kind of them

I don’t mind hot starting a grinder if you can just dump the beans in when it is running, but i hate the slow feeding of beans when grinding having to pour them in super slow to get the grinder to function.

Hot starting like I do in the EK is fine. Start the grinder then open the chute, takes no time and something similar in other grinders would be fine for me.

I don’t see the point in adding variable rpm to a grinder if it can’t grind light roasted beans at lower rpm

FadedFrontiers Whether it’s technically a stall or a “failsafe” doesn’t really matter to most users, it just sounds like a PITA.

It sounds more like it doesn’t ‘work’.

Rowsell said he had to, “really coarsen up the grind setting”, after resetting mid grind. So you pay for a grinder with big flats because of the perceived benefits of improved grind distribution, then you undo that grind distribution attribute by resetting coarser part way through grinding?

By refusing to state it doesn’t work, this is dumbing down to a level that makes it indistiguishable from being a puff piece.

FadedFrontiers I just think in search of tenners for fivers, users are setting the bar pretty low for what’s reasonable from a grinder. Mainly based on influencers oohs and ahhs about magnetic grind pots, variable speed etc.. Anything to shill the grinders.

As such, we as a community are being increasingly less served and more exploited by the manufacturers.

DavecUK That point cannot be emphasised too greatly Dave. By schilling, ignoring the truth and dumbing down at every occasion, consumers are being cheated. On the topic of hot starting. If a product is at design stage are we really expected to believe that the designers could not find a solution to hot starting? Really??????? So if hot starting is the solution, then what is the question? It is no surprise that the Duo does not need to hot start and can munch 18 gms of green beans without a care in the world. Why? Because the design team that includes yourself made the motor and gearbox to be able to. So these grinders that need to hot start to function. Is there no solution or is it the lack of quality in the design team could not find it, or was the production company willing to overlook this knowing that their schills would dismiss it? Every time we accept and big up a duff product, the mythical bar lowers

dfk41 IIRC the Duo has less powerful motor and I cannot understand why they could not squeeze out enough torque at 300 rpm from a 690 W beast.

brushless dc isnt instant toruqe is it?

DavecUK - But what’s light roasted coffee? Is there a definition? I don’t think there is. What I might classify as “light roast” might not be what Tim Wendelboe might think it is. Moot point regardless as the Niche can grind green coffee - that’s pretty light. 🙃

MediumRoastSteam DavecUK - But what’s light roasted coffee? Is there a definition? I don’t think there is. What I might classify as “light roast” might not be what Tim Wendelboe might think it is. Moot point regardless as the Niche can grind green coffee - that’s pretty light. 🙃

I guess the medium/dark roast are very brittle so less torque is needed. The light roast is more viscoelastic thus requiring more crushing force whence the struggle.

Kyle’s lightest roasts are lighter than Tim wendelboe roasts. That combined with the high density beans would make it not very easy to grind.

Were the greens beans ground at espresso setting in the niche duo, not that it really matters just curious

yep