Confession #1: I was never a big fan of the original DF64 but the V won me over, big time. Confession #2: I had similar feelings about the DF83. I wanted to like it. I tried to like it (I bought two of them and had a 3rd unit sent to me by a very supportive Australian importer, Frank A at Coffee Tech). I've been expecting a DF83V for some time now. Little birdies were saying December. It may be a little later than that but here's a sneak peak. No details yet but it's clear that they have gone back to the drawing board on this one. That said, yes, it's got variable RPM which I'm personally a big fan of. This was NOT what I was expecting, prepare to be surprised. [VIDEO]https://youtu.be/zZlzG1KsFz0?si=4fploUkTggOHwHmL[/VIDEO]

> @"tompoland"#p56988 I tried to like it (I bought two of them and had a 3rd unit sent to me by… We’re you hoping that, if you had more of them, you’d like them more? 🤪

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p56989 that is funny. I never really got passed the problem of misthreading the collar. Initially I thought it was simply an issue with one grinder. But after misthreading three of them I decided to give them a miss altogether. I had the same issue with 2 out of 4 DF64s (gen 1). Remember too this was pre-Duo. I wanted a pair of 83mm flats for side by side testing. Aluminium of aluminium as best I could tell. And I'm probably not the most subtle of users.

Interesting change of design, like many I was just expecting a larger 64v! Small point but feel like these would be a lot better with analogue rpm dials, still they seem to do the job fine.

@"tompoland"#p56988 Now we r talking! A vertical EK type grinder at 83mm to minimise retention with variable rpm going down as low as 300 and which can achieve zero retention without using bellows (my greatest peeve about the df64)? If they can keep the price to the same range as how the df64v differs from the df64 and with ssp burrs added, where do I sign up?!

@"FadedFrontiers"#p56991 I quite like the led indicator though !

And another video ... [https://youtube.com/shorts/UlEuGtGwnfo?si=-6THQ-QmLfzDHYx5](https://)

This could be what the sculptor failed to become with its proprietary size and with its burrs being unsuited for light roasts clarity forward beans. Personally a similar df98v would be perfect but this would be a great way to tide over till then.

Does this have the plasma generator to reduce static without rdt?

@"drdre89"#p57020 no details released yet, we're at the start of the teasing phase. My guess would be yes. DF put one into the DF64 Gen 2 and this bad boy has enough room for one.

A home barista forum member just notified the price is $899. No idea how he came to know of the price so far.

DF83V (expect the unexpected)

Cuprajake

Hoons got a few grinders at the side of one on a live stream now.

tompoland

thewelshvet prevailing opinion is on the stock burrs vs eg SSP HU burrs for mostly espresso

The stock burrs are ‘DF DLC’, not to be confused with other DLC (diamond like carbon) coated burrs such as Gorilla Gear.

For my taste buds they are excellent for any bean where you are wanting to really get a stong flavor along with a fully textured (thick) espresso. Others rate the same burrs highly for filter but I’ve only used them for espresso.

I prefer the SSP Espresso (HU) burrs for light roasted espresso. I noticed more brightness, a bit more adicity and clarity of different flavor notes. But the acidity/brighness is something that many people who are used to a more traditional espresso, really don’t enjoy at all.

In summary, my guess would be that 90% or more DF83V owners will be very happy with the stock burrs so try them first for sure.

MattH

Looks oddly like a budget philios….

tompoland

MattH looks-wise agree. But of course 64mm vs 83mm. Much prefer the looks of the Mazzer and doubtless the quality will be a significant step up too. The DF hopper and bellows looks like an afterthought.

FadedFrontiers

This is going to reignite the old stalling debate again..

If you use a low RPM and cold start with some beans on a fine setting it then it will stop and not restart until you reset it (which defaults to a higher RPM) and use a coarser setting.

Whether it’s technically a stall or a “failsafe” doesn’t really matter to most users, it just sounds like a PITA.

Also the dial marker (which also secures the dial and stationary burr) looks like it’s easily moved as demonstrated in the video a couple of times, but wasn’t mentioned.

Like with other DFs it looks like it has it’s quirks and odd design decisions, and it was definitely pushed out quickly at the expense of some more R&D.

DavecUK

FadedFrontiers Whether it’s technically a stall or a “failsafe” doesn’t really matter to most users, it just sounds like a PITA.

What really matters is a grinder used within the range of parameters given, should not stall on light/medium roasted coffees….ever!

We have disappointingly moved into an age where in the interests of saving money and wanting to believe so hard what the influencers say in validating our cost saving purchase, we are willing to accept as reasonable:

The requirements to hot start grinders before adding beans
Stalling (let’s call it what it is)
Unknown Chinese burr quality
Unknown actual burr life of these Chinese coated burrs
Unknown level/longevity of support (what happens with older models when new updated ones are released almost quarterly.
Who it actually making these grinders
How much are they tested…from my observations, they don’t seem to be tested well.

MWJB

FadedFrontiers Whether it’s technically a stall or a “failsafe” doesn’t really matter to most users, it just sounds like a PITA.

It sounds more like it doesn’t ‘work’.

Rowsell said he had to, “really coarsen up the grind setting”, after resetting mid grind. So you pay for a grinder with big flats because of the perceived benefits of improved grind distribution, then you undo that grind distribution attribute by resetting coarser part way through grinding?

By refusing to state it doesn’t work, this is dumbing down to a level that makes it indistiguishable from being a puff piece.

FadedFrontiers

DavecUK What really matters is a grinder used within the range of parameters given, should not stall on light/medium roasted coffees….ever!

MWJB It sounds more like it doesn’t ‘work’.

Oh I agree - if my quotation marks didn’t make it clear enough. My point is that to the end user it doesn’t really matter what word we use, because it’s still very annoying if you want to use the range of the RPM dial.

Saying it doesn’t work is a little dramatic however since by that metric the majority of variable RPM grinders don’t work. Sure it doesn’t work at low RPMs with light roasts and that’s not good but it’s far from the only grinder with this issue.

At least potential buyers will know about it and can make up their own minds this time. I don’t see how it can be called the best workflow of the DF series when you have to throw out coffee if you make the mistake of having it on too low an RPM.

InfamousTuba I don’t mind hot starting a grinder if you can just dump the beans in when it is running

I’m the same, no issue with letting the motor get up to speed first but slow feeding for fear of stalling would be tedious.

dfk41

Ah though Dave, the influencers are suggesting to us that a hot start is the way to go……in fact if you do not hot start there is something wrong with your routine…….I think that that is very kind of them

InfamousTuba

I don’t mind hot starting a grinder if you can just dump the beans in when it is running, but i hate the slow feeding of beans when grinding having to pour them in super slow to get the grinder to function.

Hot starting like I do in the EK is fine. Start the grinder then open the chute, takes no time and something similar in other grinders would be fine for me.

I don’t see the point in adding variable rpm to a grinder if it can’t grind light roasted beans at lower rpm

DavecUK

FadedFrontiers I just think in search of tenners for fivers, users are setting the bar pretty low for what’s reasonable from a grinder. Mainly based on influencers oohs and ahhs about magnetic grind pots, variable speed etc.. Anything to shill the grinders.

As such, we as a community are being increasingly less served and more exploited by the manufacturers.

dfk41

DavecUK That point cannot be emphasised too greatly Dave. By schilling, ignoring the truth and dumbing down at every occasion, consumers are being cheated. On the topic of hot starting. If a product is at design stage are we really expected to believe that the designers could not find a solution to hot starting? Really??????? So if hot starting is the solution, then what is the question? It is no surprise that the Duo does not need to hot start and can munch 18 gms of green beans without a care in the world. Why? Because the design team that includes yourself made the motor and gearbox to be able to. So these grinders that need to hot start to function. Is there no solution or is it the lack of quality in the design team could not find it, or was the production company willing to overlook this knowing that their schills would dismiss it? Every time we accept and big up a duff product, the mythical bar lowers

John_Yossarian

dfk41 IIRC the Duo has less powerful motor and I cannot understand why they could not squeeze out enough torque at 300 rpm from a 690 W beast.

Cuprajake

brushless dc isnt instant toruqe is it?

DavecUK

A big issue is variable speed…looses loads of torque. Also the Niche rating plate shows what it consumes as a max when grinding lighT roast coffee…NOT the motors power.

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK - But what’s light roasted coffee? Is there a definition? I don’t think there is. What I might classify as “light roast” might not be what Tim Wendelboe might think it is. Moot point regardless as the Niche can grind green coffee - that’s pretty light. 🙃

John_Yossarian

MediumRoastSteam DavecUK - But what’s light roasted coffee? Is there a definition? I don’t think there is. What I might classify as “light roast” might not be what Tim Wendelboe might think it is. Moot point regardless as the Niche can grind green coffee - that’s pretty light. 🙃

I guess the medium/dark roast are very brittle so less torque is needed. The light roast is more viscoelastic thus requiring more crushing force whence the struggle.

Dusk

MediumRoastSteam

I guess it’s not even strictly light roasted coffee, it’s just harder beans (that usually tend to be lighter roast). All I can say is that when hand grinding beans, there can be quite a difference in the difficulty.

InfamousTuba

Kyle’s lightest roasts are lighter than Tim wendelboe roasts. That combined with the high density beans would make it not very easy to grind.

Were the greens beans ground at espresso setting in the niche duo, not that it really matters just curious

MediumRoastSteam

InfamousTuba Were the greens beans ground at espresso setting in the niche duo, not that it really matters just curious

One for @Cuprajake :-)

edit: Too late LOL

Cuprajake

yep

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