Tom's amazing burr project got me thinking about this remarkable sounding grinder. Conical or flat; 71mm, 80mm, 83mm burrs from Mazzer and SSP with variable speed, and essentially zero retention, at a very sane price. Burr swap in unedited video, and confirmed by several users, as under three minutes with perfect alignment. So I wonder why there isn't more discussion of it, or in fact any discussion or reviews here, where there is a serious concentration of knowledgeable grinder & burr enthusiasts? If anyone can offer some technical opinions on this grinder, I'd love to hear them.

> @"BrendaninBrooklyn"#p57364 So I wonder why there isn’t more discussion of it, or in fact any discussion or reviews here, where there is a serious concentration of knowledgeable grinder & burr enthusiasts? Forgot all about it…it was launched 2 years ago. but didn't see much mention of it and I guess the (far too many) influencers didn't get on board for some reason. Although a few pushed it. Might have been to do with the £1373 +VAT Plus import of 7% = £1673 + shipping Also the cost of burrs and carriers not supplied £760 (-25% deal, which almost covers the VAT and import tax). Now I realise I have included one of each type, but you weren't buying it for not swapping the burrs were you. Assume the shipping is included in the original grinder and would be around 70 +VAT as it looks heavy, **we have a final shipped price to UK of £2517** I think it's not going to be in many peoples Christmas list and doesn't have the "desirability and brag factor) of a Monolith Flat Max2, EG1, Option O P100, Weber Key... and other esoteric/ hard to get grinders in a similar price range. After having extensively tested these same Esoteric grinders, I realise that many are not great or easy to use, but people never mention this….because they paid so much. The only one of the ones I have mentioned that I think does deliver in the cup is the Monolith Flat Max 2, however it's workflow is not great and certainly not a patch on my Niche Duos! Plus the variable speed really isn't a useful feature as I found the best speed to run it at is 400 rpm (the maximum). The monolith is also no faster to grind really after the huffing and puffing etc.. to get the rest of the coffee out. This has rather cured me of grinditis 😁 [upl-image-preview url=https://i.imgur.com/w3BqiOs.png] *P.S. It's probably the same reason there isn't much discussion on the P100, Monolith Flat Max, EG1 etc.. The few people who have bought these grinders usually announce their buying one, bathe in the glory and then feel no need to post because there probably isn't many others to join a discussion of how good it is. As certainly there usually isn't a discussion of issues on **earlier models** until the revised model 2's 3's etc.. I know I'm an old cynic…but seen it happen a lot over the years.* ***I should add, my own personal interests really extend to the equipment sold to lots of people** and helping make that better, because that's the biggest bang for my mental effort. The Evo was a personal interest of mine because It's the lever machine I always wanted almost 20 years ago…now a reality.*

Dave, thanks as always for your elucidation. In the very high-priced category I only pay attention to Kafatek, Titus, and Versalab, none of which I would actually purchase, but all of which I respect. It occurred to me that a WUG with three burr sets, conical and two flat, was a lot less expensive than two or three Monoliths but with similar performance. Also, much less counter space needed. This is what aroused my curiosity, along with the thought it would have been perfect for Tom's burrathon ;-) I'm Niche and Kinu only as far as purchases now and in the future. Others may feel differently but for me the NZ, ND, and M47 Classic are practical ultimates, although occasionally I get curious about other stuff like this. Thanks again.

@"DavecUK"#p57374 oops, replied but forgot to hit the reply button….

@"DavecUK"#p57374 …. and the very last grinder curiosity of interest to me is the forthcoming Mazzer Philos, mainly because it is Mazzer.

@"BrendaninBrooklyn"#p57378 Ooh yes, started thinking seriously about that one. It really looks to be right at the top of the pecking order for a grinder of the highest quality and flexibility. Very interested. Part of me wishes it were rubbish (the bank manager part) and the other part is knee deep in grinder-lust.

@"tompoland"#p57382 It would make a nice companion for your Olympic ;-)

> @"DavecUK"#p57374 This has rather cured me of grinditis 😁 I could do with that cure. Very true re paying a fortune and "needing" it to have been a wise invesment. Add to that the honeymoon period that goes with most things that are new. The light bulb moment for me was when I blind tested the EG-1 with the Moca SD. I still remember the shock. It was NOT the result I was expecting and frankly it was not the result I was wanting. The little Swiss Miss rang rings around the EG-1 in the cup, and the workflow was amongst the best I'd experienced. Sold the EG-1, bought another Moca SD to pair with the second espresso machine I had at the time. Lesson learnt*: just because it costs three times the price and looks like a rocket ship does not mean that it's better in the cup. (* I hope) The Wug2 is fascinating for sure. I just ended up thinking that I wouldn't be changing the burrs; I prefer just to get a second grinder.

@"BrendaninBrooklyn"#p57378 I’m keen to see the Mazzer Philos in the hands of some users and some reviews, etc. I’m looking to move from my Niche Zero but the Lagom P64 I thought I wanted with its added UK import tax makes the Mazzer look like a better option in terms of pricing. I hope on par or better in functionality. We’ll see and I’m in no rush to upgrade. But if I do, I’ll happily do a full on review.

@"tompoland"#p57384 Your review of the Olympic was a welcome eye-opener, although it may have been a cold shower to some trudging down the Titan path. I'd rather spend less on gear; more on coffee, and I am much more of a limiting factor in my in-cup results than my grinder. I cannot imagine ever wishing for more than NZ + ND, but if I did your "Swiss Miss" and possibly the Philos would be my ceiling and the only candidates on a grinder shortlist. I am however cheering your burr-madness wildly here in Brooklyn. As someone who tried several hundred teas to find a small number I loved I have sympathy for obsession.

@"Verion"#p57385 I know there are rumors of Philos pricing, and if even roughly correct expect it will compete very directly with Lagom P64 and Zerno Z1. If the UK were still in the EU perhaps even more so assuming lower VAT or similar. There is no knowing until it gets released however I strongly suspect is will be much better engineered and at least as well built as either of those. I hope you decide to obtain one and will look forward to your review.

Wug2 83A

HarveyMushman

Verion

I didn’t realise it’s less than the Lagom.

I’ll still buy it at 1300 as it’s very much the grinder I’ve been hoping for for a while.

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