Wow, now THAT is one helluva review. Hats off to Mazzer for using less plastic in the packing. Great job with the pics and a massive thanks for the effort you put in. This grinder was my first choice but it’s not going to Be available in Australia for a few months yet so as mentioned in another post I picked up a second hand Helor 106 with 71mm Mazzer Robur burrs.

It sounds like it takes quite a while to grind your 18 to 20 grams and I guess that’s because they delivered the soft grind option to you. The Helor is incredibly easy to grind because it has 4 gears but really I would have preferred just 2 gears so I could grind with half the number of revolutions. I may live to be thankful for the fact that there are 4 gears however because my wrist arthritis is not getting better with age (what a shock).

    tompoland It sounds like it takes quite a while to grind your 18 to 20 grams

    About 2 3 minutes, if I keep going straight through (dogs, kids and other general facts of life tend to get in the way…). At this point in life, I’d rather go a little faster if I had a choice, but as you say, I will come to be grateful for the low-effort grind.

    (Edit: I just timed a grind with minimal distractions. 187 turns in 3:07)

        Mazzer just replied to my email from yesterday, confirming that the outer burr is the same for both ‘soft’ and ‘fast’, and it’s marked 0198C, while the inner burr changes (0198C for ‘fast’ and 0199C for ‘soft’).

        Top marks for responsiveness!

        I have edited the review above accordingly.

        CoyoteOldMan that is a lot of turns and quite a long time (3 min). I’m surprised. The Kinu M47 Classic I had took 35 seconds and the Helor 106 is 55 seconds. Mind you, I haven’t counted RPM yet. Maybe I crank the handles fast? Then again, the fast version would be faster, but I wonder how much faster.

          Will test and time espresso as soon as I have some decent beans; we forgot to pre-order and came back from vacation with no coffee, having emptied all stores prior to leaving.

          The type of bean can make quite a difference when hand grinding, I’ve just finished a kg of Mbata beans from Django and they were very hard and considerably more effort than any bean I’ve tried previously. I know it shouldn’t affect the number of rotations but will affect time

            Dusk I’m kind-of-looking forward to trying to grind some very light roasts that @“MediumRoastSteam” left me a few weeks ago, and were kept in the freezer until now… He said that one of them in particular was really hard.

            I think I may try a French Press with one of them (way too light for espresso, I think), and see what comes out!

              PortafilterProcrastinator You are welcome; sorry about the photos. I don’t know what the problem is - they all show as imgur links if I try to edit the post; I have checked on two other browsers (Edge and IE11 vs. my Chrome default - IE screws up the layout, but the images show up), and it works fine even without logging into the forum (also using incognito/private/non-caching mode). Only thing I can suggest is to refresh the page/flush the browser cache.

              Here is the list of links to the images in order of their appearance in the post above:

                Gtbarringer did you import your HG1 prime to UK? How much tax you end up paying? Also it seems that the status is “in stock” on the website but when I click buy, it says not available. Did you buy it from the website?

                I enjoy reading the inputs here as I am in the market to upgrade my JX Pro. I have been using it for 2 months. I lifted weight regularly. I thought grinding with the JX was easy and I enjoyed the manual process. But I recently feel the base of my thumb pretty sore. I grinder 60g -80g a day. It was the hand holding the container having issue. So, my objective it to find something with a solid base so I don’t need to hold lit while turning the handle. My budget is 1000ish and seems like the HG- Prime is the best choice?

                    Inspector Thanks for pointing me to that. May I ask for the burr with several year of use, do I need to replace it with a new burr some time soon?

                        @Knluk Do you mainly drink medium / medium dark and above? If yes, I am surprised and sorry to hear the sore thumb issue. That’s so soon!

                        If your taste preference change to lighter stuffs, you won’t enjoy the manual grinder. I recommend you go the electric route, unless you already have one. Niche is a great choice, if electric. :-)

                          Knluk It’s not so much time as quantity of coffee ground. My grinder was bought used from a small roastery - they used it for 6 months, and pulled through 27,000 single-shot-equivalents (or roughly 200 kg of coffee, assuming 7 grams per single-shot). In the past 4 months, I ground about 3.5 kgs.

                          Ceado say that the standard (non-coated) burrs are good for about 600 kg - the shop would have run through that in ~18 months; it would take me 50 years…

                            LMSC thanks for the advice as always! I am still exploring about beans. The lightest I have tried is medium. So far, I love the Chatswood from Rave which is dark roast. But I also enjoyed the chocolate Blend and Dock blend which I think is medium roast. Having seems so many experts here opt for light roast, I would love to explore that once I have more skill to dial it that. (Btw, what’s your pick on light roast beans? I heard good thing on Tim Wendelboe but they are not in U.K.)

                            yes. The soreness came faster than expected. I now changed using the non sore hand to hold the container. Niche is nice but I am thinking to invest a bit more to my end game (I think I will never spend 2000+ for a grinder). But I am still thinking as Niche sounds to be extremely capable for its price.

                                Knluk I now changed using the non sore hand to hold the container.

                                I find myself swapping hand after every minute of grinding - then again, I’m reasonably ambidextrous.

                                    CoyoteOldMan swapping hand

                                    Same here, which is easier if medium and above. :-)

                                      I exchanged email with Lyn workshop on the HG1 Prime and found out they are in summer break thus cannot fulfil order. That allows me more time to think about it:

                                      • HG1P vs NZ - I suspects that there is no difference in taste (I can tell). Although I believe my wrist will be okay with the HG1P as I don’t have to hold it while turning the handle, the NZ will be risk free on this aspect. So, what else the HG1P, which costs 2x more, brings me will be built, beauty, and longevity. Sadly, to me all are as important as the cost and ease to work with. Any thoughts? Maybe someone can tell me once I get I electric grinder, I will not look back? Or NZ actually looks great in real life? Or nothing beats seeing a sexy HG on worktop and it will last 50yrs? Just need some help to make a decision without regret.
                                      • If the quality in cup between the above two is insignificant, should I save up for the MC4 or Lagom P64? Would like to avoiding getting into the diminishing of return though. Seems I am banning this option by myself.
                                      • For the HG1P, I forgot whether I read it from here of the other forum, someone had very bad experience with Craig (and a few other brands). Usually I would treat it as a single incident and won’t focus on it. But the words used are strong. And he declared he would never do business with him. Did I miss anything alarming?

                                      Thanks for input.