My Sage Dual Boiler from a starting temp of 25 degrees got to 96 degrees (which is the highest it will go) in 2:23. Don’t know what the power consumption is as there is no spec sheet in the manual and I can’t find one on-line either. I guess in the winter it might take a little longer to get to temp.

    It’s not all about energy saving or warm up time, timer can be set so machine meets you ready to work and like Dave says wrap a towel round and it helps. I have had my Vesuvius (heats up pretty quickly) nigh on 5 years, I wonder if a decent will stand the test of time?

    Pompeyexile My Sage Dual Boiler from a starting temp of 25 degrees got to 96 degrees (which is the highest it will go) in 2:23. Don’t know what the power consumption is as there is no spec sheet in the manual and I can’t find one on-line either. I guess in the winter it might take a little longer to get to temp.

    It’s probably in the region of 75 -90W total power consumed (over the period) to make a coffee based on your figures, if started from cold. If you put a smart plug with power measuring capability on it, or a power measuring plug, this will tell you.

    I can give you a more accurate figure if you see what the power cunsumption in watts is on the rating plate underneath.

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      According to Hoffman it would appear the record holder for fast warm up time must be the manument francesca that is ready almost immediately after it is switched on.
      Other machines to give it a race other than rhe decent must be the upcoming Heylo and the Unica pro.

      so if were getting to temps in 20s does that negate the warming of the pf theory?

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        Pardon me for being old fashioned, but how far do we really want to obsess about fast warm-up times?

        Sure, technology advancement is great, but at what price? Isn’t this hobby about taking our time, enjoying the journey and savoring it, in a world that is mostly moving too fast? Do we really want coffee to be a quick fix afterthought that is available on a whim and forgotten?

        If this is about saving money on energy, then yes, I totally get it. The fastest 20K Euro machine will virtually pay for itself in energy within 10,000 years (I didn’t actually calculate, so may be off by 10,000 years [or more] in either direction).

          Doram You don’t understand. This would mean I could leave the machine on my bedside, as it looks like a fancy lamp. I can then turn it on and have a coffee straight away. :P

          Jokes aside, I do value fast warmup time - and I’m talking here within reason: 1 minute, 5 minutes, 30s… All the same to me. But no, I wouldn’t pay over the odds for it.

            Im the opposite i care not for heat up time

            Decent De1pro v1.45 - Niche Duo - Niche Zero - Decent is the best machine ever made -

            Generally machines that heat up slowly have larger boilers. Does the reheating of previously boiled water affect the taste?

            I would guess not, I’ve compared coffee from my Sage DB with the Cafelat Robot and prefer the coffee from the former but there could be other factors at play.

            Doram
            I don’t get it either. For me, I usually like my coffee at certain points in rhe day and i limit myselt to only a certain number of cups a day so I know well in advance when I want my shot of espresso. I don’t usually suddenly “feel like” a coffee outside these times but evne if I did, I usually have many other things occupying my time that the 15 mins my machine needs to fully warm up is already more than fast enough. So I’m clearly not in the market demographic that “needs” a machine that can warm up in seconds. But I would still question if the francesca for example is really fully warmed up in the portafilter or the screen. Especially if one were living jn a cold climate In the depths of winter these components would be very cold so there would be an instant cooling effect evne though the water is heated up by the flash heater.

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              I am also a little doubtful about how accurate the temperature set for the heating elements as applied to the water produced. Hoffman didn’t seem to mention that he had tested the temperature of the water for accuracy and his description of how inexact the knob is also creates some doubts to me as to how accurate could it be.

                FWIW, I have just come from a machine that requires 30 mins heat up.

                My old solution was simple - timers, or when I’m out remotely turning on the smart plug.

                However this did bring its own problems - if the water tank was empty it wouldn’t heat until I realised and filled it - before work this meant no coffee.

                I’ve recently obtained the decent espresso machine and it’s a feature that I now value very highly, it really is remarkable

                  Igm45 However this did bring its own problems - if the water tank was empty it wouldn’t heat until I realised and filled it - before work this meant no coffee

                  And the fact you need to leave the PF always mounted on the group - which can be annoying if the machine already takes pretty much the whole depth of the surface, meaning the PF ends up sticking out. Yes there are other ways of heating the PF, like putting boiling water over it, or leaving on top of the machine to warm up.

                  And I always felt unease turning a coffee machine remotely. What if there’s a problem? The safety valve pops, or the group lever is left in the on position, or there’s an internal leak somewhere.

                  One of the reasons I’d rather turn my machine on and be around and fully awake.

                    It’s a bit like keyless entry to your car, it’s a feature that you think doesn’t interest you but once you have it you won’t go without it!

                    Cafelat Robot. As fast as your kettle!

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                    I like a fast heat up, first thing I do in the morning is make a coffee. A timer wouldn’t work as I don’t have a regular wake up time and I can’t be bothered with WiFi plugs so I have to wait a bit to make my coffee whilst the machine warms up.

                    I don’t know if it is because I’m a ‘patience is a virtue’ type of person or maybe because I am retired and have plenty of time on my hands, a 2:23 warm up time bothers me not a jot. I think if my life were so busy even a five minute warm up time was an issue, I think I will probably be ending my days a bit quicker due to a heart attack.

                      I don’t think many people mind that, a 30 min+ warm up time on the other hand…

                      Doram unless if you have a very very fixed schedule, you will find yourself in situations when you need to wait for a good espresso. And in many cases if your machine heats up in 15 minutes, you can make some latte to go in 20 and leave happily. Or your machine needs 25 minutes and you leave angrily and have a dilemma of whether you get a Starbucks instead.

                      Not anyone needs a fast warm up machine but if everything else equals, fast warm up time is a pretty big plus.

                      The fancy machine is not expensive because it has instant heating time. It is certainly a selling point, but the price is only justified by the luxury design and construction, even if we are led to believe.

                          delta76 - well, Doram has a MaraX, which, funny enough, has an express heat up time, like the Bianca and the Elizabeth. Given the the Bianca and MaraX are both E61, I’d expect them to have a very similar, if not identical warm up time. I don’t understand why it should be any different, but there might be more to it which is well beyond my knowledge.