Here we go! * Out of box burrs give traditional style and not modern style espresso * Require Mazzer or SSP burrs set * Not leap and bounds better than DF64 * Requires some alignment https://youtu.be/iGJ5mY5LiHI

Can't stand that bloke. Pure paid review and my god those hands ![Giphy - season 1 workout GIF by Fox TV](https://media3.giphy.com/media/ieP5jI3S06bps6yOYu/giphy.gif?cid=bb77869fwlymqdlu5aqzthkya6mhrirx9c3ntbwr9e51uoy5&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)

Apparently his day job is a preacher in some branch of Christianity. This does help understand his character a bit. You know, plus he's Canadian.

I’m the video he says he gave up his day job and that channel is his main bread winner now. I watched it… I’m not convinced of the product tbh.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p27944 oh wow, bold move. It has potential to be better built than the DF64 but that's a pretty low bar.

Perhaps his sweatshirt says it all 🙂

I could not watch it.....why do Youtubers think you have to start with a catchphrase from a Nineties beer commercial still (even though he did not, but his style makes me want to puke!)

Another one! https://youtu.be/u27g9Xw5TRE

@"dfk41"#p28502 It does look as if that thing needs a miracle, indeed. 😁

DF83 - first impressions

dfk41

Dusk Have you ever seen new burrs under a microscope? They have jags and notches on like you would never imagine, and where do you think the metal goes?

Dusk

That’s the first time I’ve seen that reason used for why seasoning burrs is necessary and it’s probably the most compelling yet. However it still wouldn’t change my mind, there must have been a hell of a lot of worse things that have gone into my body throughout my life than a few microscopic bits of steel.

skylark

Dusk

No offence but i think the discussion has been won, in my mind at least, by the ‘other’ chap 😆. I know what i’m doing this weekend …

MediumRoastSteam

skylark for what is worth, I went to Aldi and bought a selection of their cheap and nasty coffee, 4 bags, 227g each, to season my Niche Duo.

And over the course of an evening and a morning, I ground it all, at a coarser setting (filter-like). Put it all back, ground, in the bags they came in, sealed it and gave to a relative who is more interested in the caffeine hit rather than the taste of coffee.

delta76

Have anyone replace Df83 v2 burr with mazzer ones? If yes do you think it is worth it?

prezes

delta76 not sure how helpful will this be but I replaced burrs in my df83 v1 with mazzer t151a. Can’t compare though as never used the burrs it came with as done it straight away. I do believe mazzer makes really good quality burrs. I am delighted with the coffee I’m getting from the grinder.

wilburpan

delta76

I have the DF83 v1, with the original burrs. I don’t claim to be an expert on burrs, but I do think I know what a really great espresso is like, and I can get there with my DF83 with the original burrs. I’ve found that between picking the type of bean for the taste profile that I want and adjusting the grind, that’s all I need to get what I want out of a shot of espresso.

As far as managing static, RDT and the plasma generator both work. but I’ve found that controlling the humidity in the house is the easiest way of dealing with it. I live in New Jersey, and in the summer I have little issues with static. In the winter, static becomes an issue, but then if I turn on the humidifier in my heating system, that goes away. Plus, the house is much more comfortable.

My usual workflow is to start grinding the beans, and then use the bellows pretty aggressively when the outflow starts to die down, and I keep using the bellows until nothing comes out anymore. So if I don’t have a problem with flyaway ground coffee bits, it’s certainly not because I am being delicate about the grinding process.

delta76

prezes may I ask where did you buy the burr? looking for it and it seems significantly more expensive than the non coated option. Like more than ~150 EUR more expensive.

prezes

delta76 I managed to struck a decent deal on eBay to be fair. They are new in original sealed packaging. I went for the coated option as use RDT with grinder being a V1.

delta76

prezes just so I understand - you have v1 without the plasma generator so you need to use RDT (i.e. a spray of water?) to avoid static, then you need coated burr to avoid rusting, right?

prezes

delta76 yes that’s correct. No every bean suffers from static but some do need rdt to tame it

delta76

prezes interesting - would be nice if you can test v2 on same bean, just to see how good the plasma generator is

really tempted now, especially with the code from @tompoland , but still uneasy about the tax thing

prezes

delta76 I bet it’s great. I was toying with the idea of retrofitting but as said it’s only some beans that suffer with a bit of static and a single spray sorts it out completely.

delta76

prezes now you have a duo as well, how do you compare the two?

prezes

delta76 too early to judge but as I said here before always liked the styling and workflow of the niche. I had the zero prior to the df83.

The quality of grinds and coffee produced by df83 is super satisfying so can’t complain there. Saying that I’m not using original burrs. I am not a fan of the bellows and this is my main gripe.

The Niche seems to be the whole package as it comes without any upgrades required (maybe the pop-corning?) It’s quieter of the two.

I will be running both for a little while and if I’m equally happy with the taste of the coffee the Duo will replace the DF83.

delta76

I am still confused - what’s the default burr in DF83 v2? definitely not DLC like DF64 gen 2, and maybe just the same as DF83 v1?

wilburpan

delta76 This is a harder question to answer than it should be, in my opinion. The DF83 v1 came with Italmill 83mm burrs, made from stainless steel. This was explicitly stated in the product description.

The DF83 v2 comes with burrs that look identical to the burrs in my DF83 v1, but doesn’t specify “Italmill”. The product descriptions of the DF83 v2 stock burrs on various websites that sell this grinder include “stainless steel” and “made in Italy”.

I think for all intents and purposes, the DF83 v2 default burrs will be functionally identical to the DF83 v1 Italmill burrs. Or to put it another way, whatever difference there may be between the DF83 v1 and v2 burrs will be swamped by switching coffee beans.

tompoland

Here in Australia the stock burrs in the DF83 V2 are the newer DLC DF. But be aware that whilst some (me included) consider these to be an improvement on the original Italmill burrs, the geometry may not be the same as the 64mm DF DLC burrs. I’ll pull them out of their respective storage boxes and compare and post back here. It’s quite common for larger versions of the same brand to have different geometry. SSP do it in at least some of their burrs, Gorilla Gear do it too.

tompoland

Here we go, make of these what you will but to my eye they appear to be a similar pattern but the width of each cut is understandably substantially larger in the 83mm so my guess is the flavor will be different. Then again, so many of my guesses have failed a blind taste test which I haven’t done yet with these two.

(I haven’t tried the espresso from the 83mm DF DLC yet but the espresso from their 64mm counterparts in milk based drinks is my favourite at the moment)

danielpugh

As I’ve been thinking about grinders again, between df64 gen 2, df83 and messaged the df64 site.

They replied …

“No problem perhaps you might like our new model which will be released in December, 83mm burr but more expensive due to special feature. Information to be released soon!”

I’d guess a tweaked df83. I asked if it was df83v, and they said “Brushless motors are not meant for power and are not as durable in the long run.”

So I am thinking df83 gen 2. I’m hoping for;

Cable at the back

Better chute

Anti-popcorning

Better build quality e.g. threads as mentioned

Could be something completely different

Intriguing!

wilburpan

danielpugh So I am thinking df83 gen 2. I’m hoping for;

Cable at the back

This is how I dealt with the DF83 power cord coming out of the side of the base. 😆

The reason the cable coms out the side of the DF83 is because there is a large capacitor in the base that’s needed for the motor. There’s no room to route the power cable directly out the back without making the base itself larger than it already is.

I think there’s an advantage to the power cord coming out the side. This allows me to place the DF83 right up against the backsplash of my countertop. If the cable came straight out the back, the grinder would have to sit at least an inch forward to give clearance for the power cord.

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