Here we go! * Out of box burrs give traditional style and not modern style espresso * Require Mazzer or SSP burrs set * Not leap and bounds better than DF64 * Requires some alignment https://youtu.be/iGJ5mY5LiHI

Can't stand that bloke. Pure paid review and my god those hands ![Giphy - season 1 workout GIF by Fox TV](https://media3.giphy.com/media/ieP5jI3S06bps6yOYu/giphy.gif?cid=bb77869fwlymqdlu5aqzthkya6mhrirx9c3ntbwr9e51uoy5&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)

Apparently his day job is a preacher in some branch of Christianity. This does help understand his character a bit. You know, plus he's Canadian.

I’m the video he says he gave up his day job and that channel is his main bread winner now. I watched it… I’m not convinced of the product tbh.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p27944 oh wow, bold move. It has potential to be better built than the DF64 but that's a pretty low bar.

Perhaps his sweatshirt says it all 🙂

I could not watch it.....why do Youtubers think you have to start with a catchphrase from a Nineties beer commercial still (even though he did not, but his style makes me want to puke!)

Another one! https://youtu.be/u27g9Xw5TRE

@"dfk41"#p28502 It does look as if that thing needs a miracle, indeed. 😁

DF83 - first impressions

wilburpan

Update — I finally used a stopwatch while grinding for this morning’s espresso. 10 seconds for 19.0 g, including the bellows pumping time. Not bad!

LMSC

John_Yossarian

tompoland Intuitively I would expect the beeswax to render the chute sticky, after all the coffee grind is very hydrophobic, but I will look for some to try.

tompoland

John_Yossarian indeed. but the proof of the pudding … etc. give it a go, I used it on the Honne exit chute and it worked well. Polishing it a bit may be important.

wilburpan

John_Yossarian Intuitively I would expect the beeswax to render the chute sticky, after all the coffee grind is very hydrophobic

Did you mean to say “hydrophilic”? Hydrophobic would describe something that repels or mixes with water only with difficulty, such as oil or melted fat. I wouldn’t describe ground coffee as having that property.

As far as the wax goes, once it’s buffed out, it shouldn’t be sticky at all. In fact, it should be the opposite — quite slick. I do woodworking as a hobby, and often use shellac and wax as a finish. I can say from experience that applying wax properly should not leave a sticky surface.

KyleT

tompoland Hi Tom, apologies for bringing back up a slightly old comment but having recently purchased a DF83 I am curious about the beeswax. The metal funnel supplied with the DF83 tends to build up a ring of coffee around the inside. I also have a tamper that slowly builds up fine coffee dust after a few tamps and so I was curious whether you think beeswax could solve these two issues?

tompoland

wilburpan far as the wax goes, once it’s buffed out, it shouldn’t be sticky at all. In fact, it should be the opposite

That’s what I should have said.

Cuprajake

Giphy - Karate Kid Wax On Wax Off GIF by Filmin

LMSC

Lance’s review in a nutshell!

Nice review, IMO.
Best grinder under 1K.
Robust 550W motor, which is unlikely to stall
Clogs and they do not seem to have fixed the issues from DF64. The chute is not ideal. The de-clumper is useless
Recommend using bellows
The grinder is spot on except the two cons above.

Vostok 1 group, Decent and Bianca (?) at the background! :-)

I would have liked him using Kruve Sieves (400?) to compare fines distribution.

wilburpan

LMSC Clogs and they do not seem to have fixed the issues from DF64. The chute is not ideal. The de-clumper is useless

Regarding clogging and the chute — having used my DF83 twice a day every day since the beginning of December, I’ve never experienced clogging. The only reports of clogging I’ve seen have been in the context of grinding a lot of beans at once for seasoning the burrs. Lance mentions this in his video, and that’s what was mentioned in the other report of clogging that I’ve seen.

I’m also pretty sure that the taper was added to the chute to prevent spray of the ground coffee as it exits the chute. I can say that one thing that held me back on getting a DF64 was the spray issue, and I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of spray I’m getting with the DF83. In fact, the stream of ground coffee seems pretty focused, and I think the taper in the chute is partly responsible for that.

I can’t really speak to what the declumper is or isn’t doing, other than to say that I don’t have any issues with my DF83 that I could trace to the declumper being poorly designed.

KyleT

Lance actually heavily praised the stock itamil burrs too saying they produce better coffee and perform much better than their 64mm counterparts. It looks like a great grinder. Most of the fixes from the DF64 and none of the annoying drawbacks of the DF64P/E

LMSC

KyleT praised the stock itamil burrs

Yes. He did mention if one prefers creamier body, I think, in addition to Mazzer’s

DavecUK

KyleT Lance actually heavily praised the stock itamil burrs too saying they produce better coffee and perform much better than their 64mm counterparts.

I’d take that one with a pinch of salt. I have never found a situation where Italmill burrs perform better than their Mazzer counterparts. It would be great if they did, because they are 70% to 80% cheaper to buy.

KyleT

LMSC also, what’s interesting is the chute is clearly tapered on the DF83 which can cause the clogging he mentioned but I recently watched a video of the new version 4 DF64 being stripped down and the chute is not tapered. So seems like they fixed it for the DF64 but not the 83. Strange.

Cuprajake

ive got a set off ssp that will fit hahah

they need to sort the grind path out, i know my major is bigger but the grind path is actually short, so i prefer to brush, but a bellows would get all the crud out,

still though, you add ssp and uk wise its over a grand,

personally id get stock mazzer burrs in ther

LMSC

Cuprajake The price difference between the US and the UK is a lot. It is $644 ex tax and post in the US vs £849 stock burrs in the UK.

These guys ship to the UK. They don’t add tax while shipping to the UK.

https://df64coffee.com/products/df83?variant=42857421570197

prezes

I am very pleased with mine with mazzer burrs in. The chute has some grinds sticking to it but wouldn’t call this blocking at all and run it without the cover so see what’s going on for a week. After polishing with wax this is minimal.

I removed the flap part and just left the star shaped clump crusher but might test it without it completely at some point

CoyoteOldMan

DavecUK I think Lance was comparing 64mm Italmill to 83mm Italmill

KyleT

DavecUK sorry Dave , I meant the 64mm italmil burrs from the DF64

DavecUK

Ahhhhh………………OK

Cuprajake

i thought he said 64mm ssp vs stock italmil 83

CoyoteOldMan

Cuprajake He actually compares to both…

I think the bit that Kyle (and I) are referring to is this one:

14:16 I think it [DF83] can do pour overs better than the df64 with the stock Italmill burrs. I do actually prefer the stock
ones here when it comes to pour overs, which might be surprising to some of you. I’ve seen some opinions online that these might not be as good as the 64, but I actually find it to be better.

12:17 They [DF83 Italmill] have kind of the sweetness of - honestly - of like the 64 millimeter high uniformity from SSP. So - uh - the clarity is not quite as there, as like that HU; which - of course the HU is not high clarity by any means, but this has lower Clarity than that.

(YT transcript editeds for typos and punctuation)

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