Lelit Bianca just arrived

Cuprajake

I get that sometimes. Most my shots start at the outer edge unless I grind finer, but then it kills the shot, the leva seems to perform really well with quicker shots.

99% sure @DenisS said this to me too.

I turned my spouted filter into a naked one 😂🤦

CoyoteOldMan

Cuprajake Oh, I’m not complaining about the result in the cup. It would just be nice to get a nice beading all over for once. I know it’s possible, as you and @LMSC seem to be getting them much if not all the time.

I could well cut the bottom from the single spout - haven’t used it once; however, I’m still trying to figure out if I want a triple spout, in which case I may buy the triple spout and fit it on that.

LMSC

CoyoteOldMan I’m actually bored of the WDT routine. Some times, I give a quick side tap or stir to break clumps and tamp. I do wonder at times if all these extensive puck prep is worth the faff! 😊

MediumRoastSteam

If it wasn’t for the extra cleaning, soaking in detergent .etc, I’d be using the single spouted PF all the time.

But the bottomless is so much easier to keep clean…

Ernie1

MediumRoastSteam

All those leftover oils only add to the flavour!

Knluk

MediumRoastSteam plus I really enjoying seeing how the coffee come out from those little holes.

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC I do wonder at times if all these extensive puck prep is worth the faff

Only your tastebuds can assert that! If you can’t tell the difference, or it tastes good, then why bother?

CoyoteOldMan

LMSC Possibly. I think there is aesthetic satisfaction in coffee making, as well as taste. But sometimes I just want the caffeine too!

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam CoyoteOldMan

True! Why bother if it tastes good. No wonder, the super taster Dave doesn’t see the WDT adding anything to the cup!

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC True! Why bother if it tastes good. No wonder, the super taster Dave doesn’t see the WDT adding anything to the cup!

Subjective, taste is. The point here is, if you can’t tell the difference, that’s the important part. Whether Dave can taste or can’t taste, that’s for him to appraise and enjoy. Whether he thinks WDT alter the taste for him or not, that’s for his own benefit. Others may beg to differ, because they can taste the difference, or they think WDT is valuable. Maybe there are hyper tasters out there. I don’t know.

As for me, I use a bottomless, and I find that if I don’t WDT, there are spritzers all over the show which makes my machine and trolley top messy. So, I have incorporated that as part of my technique. IMMV.

Bottom line is, if you think WDT is irrelevant for your routine and provides no benefits…. I’d question why you bother doing it in the first place. 😊

Gagaryn

Some enjoy the elaborate coffee prep ritual. Others simply grind, shoogle, tamp, pour, drink. I thought I may be the former group but discovered I’m actually in the latter.

Ernie1

Gagaryn

I’m most definitely a shoogler.

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam Good question! The WDT gives me consistently a good pour; I don’t try the other methods seriously.

I can’t tell you which tastes better, makes no difference or otherwise; these are also relative between blind tasting and normal!

Can one tell a difference in blind tasting?

I only said the WDT as a part of the workflow is boring as far as I’m concerned!

Edit :

Of course, one can say “don’t do it, if I find it boring”! A bit of an OCD is the problem! 😂

MediumRoastSteam

LMSC - I find it boring, but, if I don’t do it, there’s visible channeling in my shots, specially with light roasts.

Maybe the Evo is more forgiving In that sense?

Doram

LMSC I only said the WDT as a part of the workflow is boring as far as I’m concerned!

Is that in contrast to the rest of the espresso workflow (grinding, weighing, loading the portafilter, cleaning etc.) that you find interesting? 😂

I’m with MediumRoastSteam on this: I mix the coffee in the basket because I find it reduces the chances of channelling, although I get little intellectual stimulation from the actual act. ;-)

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam I find it boring, but, if I don’t do it, there’s visible channeling in my shots, specially with light roasts.

Maybe the Evo is more forgiving In that sense?

Glad, I’m not alone in the boring department. I haven’t seriously tried dropping the WDT. I think, I should try.

The Evo is definitely forgiving as it doesn’t give a sinkable shot, even if it channels. I do think the Evo some times exposes the limitations of my hand grinder dealing with certain light roasts, but it camouflages.

Cuprajake

I always wdt, for the time it takes

But my basket prep is terrible 😂

I draw the line at paper filters below and metal ones onto that’s just too much faff

But I would imagine if we had 10 shots in a row with wdt and non wdt we’d not taste the difference

DavecUK

I just find WDT, RDT, raking, grooming, flattening, papers and screens….waay to much hassle.

Knluk

I just ordered these shits. Hope it will improve the taste if any. Today will have my own maintenance routine. Wish me luck.

MediumRoastSteam

Knluk - third item top to bottom…. Yay! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Knluk

MediumRoastSteam not sure any of these will improve the shot/ workflow. I am just trying skeptically.

Knluk

Hm. It seems it is impossible to remove the screen. Should I force the spoon between the seal and the screen or outside the edge of the seal? And I am scratching the surface with mark :(

MediumRoastSteam

Knluk - the screen is held by a flexible rubber gasket rubbing the edge of the group. Just go for it, careful for the spoon not to slip. There’s a ridge on the screen. Slot the spoon on it and use it as a lever against the group. Unless you are extremely careless and have absolutely no clue of what you are doing, there’s no way you can damage anything!

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