Doram If the elevator isn’t automatic and the user needs to decide when to move the lever, then the user could also move the jug by hand, couldn’t they? In this case, what is the benefit?
The benefit is you don’t have to use a certain size jug with a certain amount of milk in it….making the system more flexible…
MediumRoastSteam Moving platform? Pffffff
Wow! (and he is clearly not happy with himself). I vote for skill over technology every day.
Cuprajake Less holes gives more time to steam without heating the milk to quick
More holes give speed
I just read that the Lelit E v3 has a 2 hole tip.
If I hypothetically bought a 4 hole tip, would I have half the steam pressure but twice the steam volume? If so, would there be any difference in milk frothing results?
Or is the amount steam that the boiler is generating so substantial that the two hole tip simply constrains it. In that case would a 3 or 4 hole tip simply add even more steam volume at the same pressure and thereby speed?
I did notice a change when I went from a Breville DuoPro (one steam tip hole, definitely less steam volume, probably less pressure) to the Lelit E (two hole tip, much more steam volume and also pressure). Yes, the frothing process speeded up and so I had to improve my frothing skills. But also the quality of the foam improved (more and better microfoam). If find this interesting. Would a 3 or 4 hole tip further improve the foam quality?
I do have room for milk frothing improvement. I tend to froth cappuccino foam, as my foam is nice and thick and micro, but I still would like to end up with more thick foam and less residual milk in the jug. Currently I when I run out of jug room or the temp reaches a max, there is still more unfoamed milk left in my 500 ml Moka jug than I would like. I use every trick in the book, including keeping the jug in the freezer. So I am curious as to whether a 3 or 4 hole tip would be beneficial. Fyi, I definitely do not need more speed.
JHCCoffee If I hypothetically bought a 4 hole tip, would I have half the steam pressure but twice the steam volume? If so, would there be any difference in milk frothing results?
The boiler in the Evo is 2.3 litre (same as a Minima), so large by prosumer terms. However, 4 hole tips in that size of boiler simply drop steam pressure too much. Sure they steam quicker, but the velocity of the steam is much lower than a commercial with a 6 or 10 litre boiler. The quantity of milk steamed at home is much smaller and you are better off with high velocity steam taking a few seconds longer. Even with a 2.3 lite boiler, I would recommend a 2 hole tip.
Got me questioning the number of holes in the Bianca tip now 🤣
I prefer the shape of the Bianca’s bulb tip Vs the angular 3 hole of the evo
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Maybe this milk steamer would be for a cafe where they don’t want possible contamination between plant and dairy milks. Or for a cafe that wants to make got chocolate but doesn’t need to make coffee. Yes they’d both be a niche market but isn’t that the case with a lot of high end coffee equipment?
tompoland I think I resemble that remark 😂😂
tompoland Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. This is very helpful.
BrendaninBrooklyn you’re welcome. I have the Nano Pro foamer arriving next week and the Morning Dream expected mid 2024. The WPM is really for cafes but the other two should be more suited to a home based lazy-foamer like me.
tompoland I shall await your comparisons with real interest. It occurred to me recently, that one could acquire a very fine “DB” by purchasing something like an ECM Puristika or Meticulous, and adding a really excellent steamer. I’m curious to see how The Morning Dream and Meticulous Milk fare, however it is good to know that a WPM MS-130T does the job very well.
In the USA an ECM Puristika w/ flow control is $1,600. A WPM MS-130T purchased from the firm and shipped from Hong Kong To New York would run $600 to $750 depending on exchange rate and choice of shipper. Even at the higher option, that equals a very fine DB for $2,350, with perhaps some advantages over a traditional DB.
By comparison ECM Mechanika Max HX is $2,400, Izzo Alex Duetto IV Plus DB & ECM Synchronika DB (both w/ flow control) are $3,100.
I strongly suspect you are very right in seeing this as a market opportunity. Thanks again.
BrendaninBrooklyn something like an ECM Puristika
100%.
I have two of these in the grinder lab and they are not only geourgeous looking little machines with adjustable pre-infusion, they also feature temperature accuracy and stability given a full 40 minutes to warm up. (Tested with Dave’s assistance.)
Puristika + Stand Alone Steamer is therefore a complete package and something like the Nano Foamer Pro is also hands free and has a small footprint. The other possible advantage of the NFP is that it may not be as critical to judge the level of the milk as precisely as I need to do with the WPM (assuming both are being used hands free).
BrendaninBrooklyn It occurred to me recently, that one could acquire a very fine “DB” by purchasing something like an ECM Puristika or Meticulous, and adding a really excellent steamer.
A DB with independent water sources. You could use a water recipe that is best for each boiler.
