The Mother of All Grinders?

Patrick

MediumRoastSteam I understand what you are saying. For me, I just find amazing that, in 2023, we still need to heat up a 0.8L boiler (or larger) and wait over 30 minutes to pour a 35g drink of coffee.

Well, an old design group used in the Evo and Vostok with a little modern sauce can heat up and pour that coffee in 15 minutes. The trick is having just the right amount of special sauce.

MediumRoastSteam

Dusk - yep. But they didn’t quite got it right. Their flagship models still use boilers. The Bambino seems a step in the right direction for me, but we all know its temperature management isn’t the best.

MediumRoastSteam

Patrick - true. Still needs to heat large volumes of water in two boilers though. Nonetheless, the independently heated group is definitely a step in the right direction (for me at least).

Ernie1

It’s not exactly old tech nor high-tech but the 2 LM Mini/Micras are ready to extract/steam in around 5-7 mins from cold. Mine is on a timer for 13:00 and by 13:10 I’ve got my coffee.

MattH

Ernie1 Agreed love how quick the micra is even when all I make is milk drinks so need the steam boiler upto temp

Inspector

MediumRoastSteam have a look at their thermojet, I havent made a coffee with one yet, but hopefully soon get my hands on a barista pro.

Edit: just realised Bambino also uses thermojet :)

tompoland

MediumRoastSteam And that’s one of the reasons I - even though I actually do not own one - like the Decent machine. No boilers, no crazy lump of metal group. Instead, technology for getting water mixed and delivered at the right temperature.

In terms of delivering water at a consistent and energy efficient temperature, the model of on-demand heating has to be one of the best options.

Chriss29

I’ve always been intrigued by the Ascaso thermoblock machines that heat around 100ml of water only. They heat up quick although I’m not sure the group is heated so the portafilter will probably take some time to heat unless you heat it manually.

In some ways I wish I got one rather than my BDB but there is a huge user base behind the BDB, which is what swung it in the end.

Systemic

tompoland My guess: 120mm flat burr.

Only grinder I can think of with 120mm burrs is the Compak R120 which even dwarfs Mahlkonig’s EK 43. But it doesn’t seem to have found favour in coffee shops in the way the EK has. Not sure why that is.

dfk41

Systemic There are a few industrial 120mm size machines (and larger again) but it is not a popular size.

https://www.shopcoffee.co.uk/product/machines/buy-coffee-grinders-online/mahlkonig-coffee-grinders-buy-coffee-grinders-online/mahlkonig-dk15-ls-industrial-grinder-silver/

tompoland

A member of the Australian Coffee Sobs forum has posted that an Option O customer service rep wrote in an email response that an announcement in the next few days.

Tjyven

Also the asian brand Molar have 120mm burrs made by SSP. https://en.molargrinder.com/

Cuprajake

MediumRoastSteam tomorrow will be hybrid

Conical onto flats.

Amberale

It is a tri-headed multi burr grinder with a conical inverted inside two others roughly equivalent to the Weber Moonraker.
Maybe…..

InfamousTuba

120mm grinders are fairly popular as bag grinders, things like the malkhonig vta6s and the ditting kr1203 are good for fast retail bag grinding. These grinders never seemed to take off compared to the ubiquitous ek43 which is found in almost every specialty cafe. The world barista championship pushed it to the forefront of the specialty world and it hasn’t really been displaced, bigger burrs might be better but they just didn’t get that boost in popularity.

Cuprajake

Don’t they need serious alignment out the box the ek? Or has that been changed now?

Patrick

Cuprajake Don’t they need serious alignment out the box the ek? Or has that been changed now?

The EK43 is very crudely made with poor tolerances.

InfamousTuba

Yeah they still need some alignment but they don’t seem to be as bad out of the box, still lots of unit to unit variation. And things like the Titus burr carrier and alignment tool make things a lot easier. Also a lot of espresso machine engineers will do EK alignment as well

Ernie1

Is the EK as stellar for espresso as it gets the rep for being? I’ve heard mixed things.

Most shops I’ve seen with them use them for high-end SO pourovers and customer bag grinds but use E80 for their espresso options.

In fact I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an EK being used for espresso commercially.

Cuprajake

Yeah but the Titus stuff is mega money and imo you you should have to spend more to align a £2500 grinder 🤯

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