And back to things coffee. Off to Vancouver Island for my daughter’s wedding. It will also be a portable coffee week and then fun learning thing’s Decent upon my return.

JHCCoffee I have the brass parts and can get a fairly dry puck with a thin screen and paper filter on the bottom. I think it might depend on your pressure profile. I run ex-dos and aim for 20s ish and the pressure only spikes to 8/9 bars for ½ seconds. I could be wrong!

    Is the Decent tech completely reliant on a vibe pump?

    Given the petite footprint of them, I can see myself having one alongside the daily driver LM to faff with on occasion.

    It would need to have a rotary though so I wasn’t sure if that was even a possibility?

      Ernie1 I believe it uses two vibe pump’s into a water heater. That keeps the size down also.

        Don’t think Ive ever seen a rotary decent.

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          strange thing that cheaper E61 machines have rotary pumps. even on some compact models.

          Well the cost of the decent is in the software..

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            Wow yeah didn’t expect cost to be a factor given the price…

            The price has increased quite a lot over the years but recently has dropped some.

            Didn’t Jon buy the idea of the machine? Or did I dream that

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              For a Decent DE1XXL espresso machine, retailing at £3,728 (plus I don’t know what else in taxes) - would customers really bind an eyelid if they decide to sell the machine for £3,999 (e.g.) and make it a rotary pump version? I doubt it.

                MediumRoastSteam sorry for asking, English is not my native - do you mean that people will be fine with a 3999 GBP version with a rotary pump?

                the phrase I am familiar with is “nobody bat an eye”. thanks, 9gag

                    None of the current DE1 Machines have rotary pumps. They are in the process of making a new machine though. not sure if that will have a rotary pump :)

                      Cuprajake Yes it’s covered in his interview with James Hoffmann

                        Thought it was,

                        the rotary pump isn’t really suitable for the decent.

                        A gear pump would work but still noisy

                        Ive fancied a decent for years but that noise would really do my nut in haha

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                        delta76 the phrase I am familiar with is “nobody bat an eye”. thanks, 9gag

                        Seems like your English is better than mine :-)

                        You are correct - that’s what I should’ve written.

                          Grahamsphillips

                          Hi Graham, there are some shots where I’m sure I’d fail a blind tasted test in terms of telling the difference, especially around the medium roast range.

                          My previous theory was that the Decent can’t replicate a lever machine 100%, if for no other reason than the basket shapes are different. However since running a lot of shots from both machines I’m no longer so sure. A James or a Lance would most likely be able to pick them apart but assuming the right preset (profiles/recipes) is used on the Decent then I cant tell the difference.

                          Clearly the Decent offers more versatility with presets such as the Adaptive profile which can adapt for grind size during the pour and Blooming which, with the right bean and burr set, excels at extracting a brighter and more intense espresso from lighter roasts. The Nurri can offer something similar to the latter for sure, just by increasing the temperature and pre-infusion duration only it’s not quite as automated.

                          For me, the big difference really comes down to the user experience which is where the Nurri and other levers shine. It’s a far more immersive experience.

                          If you like the lever experience and you are OK with a more limited range of options than the Decent (but still quite broad) then IMHO the Nurri is a beautiful machine to both look at and to work with. The paddles are a feature that is easy to dismiss as unecessary until you’ve used them at which point they sudddenly seem quite indispendable.

                          In short, they are both end game machines.

                          I am however selling the Nurri as sadly it’s not getting used enough to justify keeping it.

                            JHCCoffee Hi JHC, sorry for the late reply. As @tompoland and @Cuprajake mentioned, the sogginess of the puck has no specific relationship to the quality of the shot. That said, I tend to updose my shots a little by using 16g in a 15g basket. I like having a little more depth in the puck, reduces channelling, and means I don’t need to be quite so specific with my puck prep. As a bonus I also get dryer pucks at most roast levels with the new group head parts.

                            If you really want to dry them out you could add a puck screen or updose further.

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