JH review of luxury Swiss lever - 20K

giampiero

20K for a “clever” drip tray is a bit exaggerated🤣

delta76

DavecUK I stopped at 20K.

this is something I both love and (somewhat) hate from James. He’s different from most other influencers that he usually does not review normal stuffs - things like popular dual boilers E61 will likely never get reviewed by him. He’s more into more “weird” stuffs. Some are interesting and intriguing. Some are just weird and way too expensive for me and many other views. I skip.

Gagaryn

DavecUK When you see one in the flesh, you realise you don’t really want one. It’s very large and very expensive!

The target market for 20k coffee machines will, I assume, have appropriately sized kitchens, negating this argument. :-)

Not for the likes of me, for the reasons you give. But I do like it and am pleased that it exists. The novel heating setup intrigues me.

Cuprajake

Why do they all look like telescopes 😂 luxury=stsr gazing

delta76

Cuprajake I think most of luxury designs are meant to stand out. it is not meant to only make coffee, but to be a decoration in your kitchen.

this is weird (by our normal expectation of espresso machines, after seeing only 500 or so) but not ugly, i’d give them that. looks much better than many high-end speakers actually

chlorox

Cuprajake
Perhaps it’s to go along with the design aesthetic of the other telescopes on the counter like the eg-1 pr the monolith…

MediumRoastSteam

I was thinking about this yesterday… and we all focus on the 20k because it’s something we think it’s an absurdity of a price. But ultimately, some people drive Bentleys and Land Rovers, some drive Hyundais. What I’m saying is, it’s all relative.

So… in terms of Londinium R24… £3.7k. That machine is therefore £17k (approx. $20k). You could buy 4.5 Londiniums for the price of that machine.

Now… if we transpose that to mere mortals like us…

Gaggia Classic Pro: £500.
Bianca: £2k, 4 times the price, 5 times the price for a black or white one
Elizabeth 1.1k, ~ 2 times the price
R24: 7.4 times the price
V Eve, approx. £3k, 6 times the price

See, it’s all relative to what someone’s income or net worth is…. And there’s no way I’ll ever own one… unless I win the Euromillions one day… and even then… I’d buy something else. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

delta76

MediumRoastSteam I am on the same boat. When a friend shows me a video of luxury house I told her it does not look appealing to me. BUT, if I have a dozens of mil $ net worth, I might have a different taste. Like I have friends with luxury houses and luxury equipment and I start to think they are appealing.

With that said you are all welcome to donate to make me a multi-millionaire, and we can find out.

Cuprajake

personally think its pretty fugly

chlorox

Can u just imagine what hoffman’s getting from patreon that he can buy a 20K machine and then give it away after he has reviewed it!

I’m not a fan of its looks as it reminds me of a cordial dispenser inclined at an angle but I agree with Hoffman that that kind of flash heating technology would be nice to have in any espresso machine.

Is it a game changer though? Not for me as my Nurri powers up in 15 minutes or less and that is more than fast enough for me. I tend to drink espresso at certain set times and even if I feel suddenly like having some coffee, I usually have enough things to do that rhe machine is ready before I start making the coffee.

Also i would have thought that they should have found a way to heat up the portafilter too as there will be some loss of heat through a cold portafilter. As well Hoffman didn’t mention if he actually tested the temperature actually achieved by the machine to see how accurate it really is.

But the real difficult thing about this machine is the cost of it. I know its made in small batches in Switzerland etc. but it’s more than 20k usd - a few months ago I recall being astonished at what I had heard was its price than which was more than 10k but now it turns out the price is twice as high… Its more expensive by some distance than the far more technologically complex LM LEVA X and for a little more you could get a two group Idrocompresso! If I absolutely needed to spend that sort of cash on a coffee machine, I certainly wouldn’t be spending it on the manument with those options available to me…and even if I had that sort of disposable income, if a hybrid lever like the Nurri can already do almost everything these hyper expensive ultra levers can do (and look nicer to my eyes in the bargain), I would have to ask myself if it really is a good decision to buy one…

delta76

chlorox he is getting ~20k$/month for patreon subscriptions alone. I recall he said he will give all items he reviewed to his patreons. While 20k$ is of course a lot but it is one time thing, he should still make decent money from his patreon (which is probably miniscule compared to his other income)

He actually gave this machine to one of his patreons before the video went up, to avoid people joining his patreon for it. A class act.

Cuprajake

It’s just one of those things to cater to the wealthy

Only just watched the vid, didn’t like how you have to drain the water from the pf post brew. Not elegant for £20k

DavecUK

Cuprajake Only just watched the vid, didn’t like how you have to drain the water from the pf post brew. Not elegant for £20k

I suspect there could be quite a few improvements made to the design…it would be quite an interesting challenge.

chlorox

delta76
Yes Hoffman sets the standards for a coffee blogger for sure.