This year looks to be a good one for Host Milan. I've had a quick look round while ACS is setting up. I have already seen the ECM stand a This year looks to be a good one for host Milan. I've had a quick look round while ACS is setting up. And have already seen the ECM stand and La Marzoccob; plus a new induction prosumer machine from a manufacturer I don't know. Will bring more news on this in later days. The ACS stand this year is looking really sharp, it's a big improvement on previous years stands. For this reason I will Only take a picture once it's fully set up. We actually drove all night to get to Milan from Naples. It took us a very long time and we didn't get any sleep. Arrived at about 10 am the morning and started setting up straight away. I'm sure we will all sleep very well tonight.

Induction heater or mistype of introduction?

@"Loonster"#p54631 Induction heating

@"DavecUK"#p54632 All prosumers are using resistive heating I suppose? Wonder if there is any benefit of induction heating. Maybe they just want to be different

> @"delta76"#p54634 Wonder if there is any benefit of induction heating. Maybe they just want to be different There is no benefit and it's not as efficient. The induction efficiency thing is usually vs gas cookers which waste a lot of heat. A heating element immersed in water it very efficient in comparison. As always though, it depends on the specific implementation.

@"DavecUK"#p54637, internal heating elements are nearly 100% efficient. Induction heaters are around 84% for stoves. Maybe a little higher for an espresso machine. I will also assume that the exterior of the tank is the induction element. This would make the machine also have higher standby losses (higher delta T). Maybe it is about speed of heating? The surface area of the induction element might be bigger. It would be interesting to see the volume size of the boiler in relation to the wattage of the heater. Or maybe it is hysteresis? I'm just guessing plausible reasons. Very curious to the reasons. It's likely more expensive, so wouldn't do it without a good reason.

@"Loonster"#p54645 my best is that so they can market it as new and exciting. Not necessary a pro from technical standpoint Prosumer market is so saturated now so new players need something new to enter and set a foothold

@"delta76"#p54649 For sure? There is an Additional level of complexity for using an induction heater. This just potentially gives more to go wrong than just using a standard /long life heating element and probably a lot more expensive to replace or repair some of the electronics. I said before heating elements are 100% efficient. When immersed in water in the boiler. And sometimes just no need to try and "improve" on these things.

ACS stand looking really good. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/MgAvmQH.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/MgAvmQH.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/HzC8XkQ.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/HzC8XkQ.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/UHKC20v.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UHKC20v.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/jYarAPC.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jYarAPC.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

https://youtu.be/WCsyvB3EfT8?si=bQsL20ryv8N_WGM_

@"DavecUK"#p54688 neat. how much is the vostok 1 group btw, can't seem to find its price

Host Milan 2023

delta76

drdre89 not sure how appearing in background of a Kyle Rowsell’s video qualifies “famous”. Especially for someone well known and respected in the industry like Dave. (yes I understand your thought of “hey that’s Dave”, but I would not be excited or proud myself if I appeared in that video)

drdre89

delta76 it was tongue in cheek

Abstracted

MediumRoastSteam Falcon I can come with Solenoid E61 or lever E61.. I’ve Already specified a button to start and stop the shot that will be placed higher up and more conveniently on the panel. Because I like the option of to being able to operate it by a touch screen or button, as I choose, is best.

Price is not fixed yet.

DavecUK Lance Hendrick claims that it’ll be under $2,000 USD.

But that doesn’t make sense for it’s feature set and where it sits in their lineup…

DavecUK

Abstracted Does seem too cheap doesn’t it…

There’s a lot of build cost in there…one of the display machines had nothing inside, yet weighed more than many dual boiler machines

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