On paper the Quick Mill Sunny (2046) looks like a really interesting machine. PID controlled Thermoblock for good temp control. Separate steam boiler Pre infusion and manual flow control Loads of other stuff too. But there is literally no reviews, so has anyone had their hands on this machine??

QM machines do not seem popular on this forum for some reason. Perhaps that tells you something? If you visit our host, @"DavecUK"#1 review site you will find some in depth reviews there but not so much since Lockdown. It is just my humble opinion, but @"Cuprajake"#144 has made you a really good offer on his Bianca. https://coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com

Hi @"Harryporter23"#506. I’ve not used it but I popped into Ferrari Espresso a few months ago to look at the Quick Mill QM67 and the sunny had just come in. It did look really nice in the flesh. Unfortunately it was not up and running. It’s quite pricey and I ended up buying an ACS Minima but like you would be interested to see what coffee people think of using it. The finish was very good.

@"Abcan"#p57984 that is where I have discovered it , although only digitally not in the flesh. It is pricey but I the reason I am interested is that it offers a lot of flexibility (for me) and programmable setting (for my wife). It looks like it has all the makings for a solid machine. I did notice that @"DavecUK"#1 took delivery of one, but I can’t find any further information on it ….. can you shed any more light on this machine?

> @"Harryporter23"#p57990 I did notice that [@DavecUK](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/u/DavecUK) took delivery of one, but I can’t find any further information on it ….. can you shed any more light on this machine? The machine is a bit of a mixed bag. I had two, the first one was not fit for purpose and I asked QM to make changes…they did some..not all of them, they did make the critical ones. Overall the machine was never going to be a good seller, **it was quite expensive,** some bits like the portafilter was very non standard and used a very unusual system. I liked certain aspects of the machine….I did the engineering review for Bella Barista and they decided not to stock it because ultimately the pricing meant it wouldn't be competitive. I do like QM and so wanted it to work out, especially as I did quite a lot of work on the engineering reviews. The Machines were ultimately returned to Bella Barista and then back to QM, so I can't do any more tests, or show you any shots etc.. **So all that work (weeks and weeks) for absolutely nothing.** I think you have a much better machine in the Bianca

@"DavecUK"#p58016 Thank you Dave, that says more than enough. It's a shame but I appreciate the candidness.

Sorry for mistakes in English (I'm not native) PROS: \- Very fast heat-up time, it takes 8-9 min to complete (including boiler) 8 min it's crucial for me. I don't like huge machines like Rancilio Silvia Pro X or open huge chunk of metal as E61 \- the thermoblock is ready in 3 mins. It's crucial for me because I don't want to wait 1/2 hour in the morning to make a drink \- steam is very good and stable \- magnetic tamper and holder are good. Tamper has a slightly conical form. Baskets have flat edges (not rounded) but I'm good with them and don't want to replace them because it also needs to replace the shower. CONS: Price: almost $2K (incl VAT and shipping) in EU The machine has a crucial design issue, it has only one OPV that works as follows: \- In manual mode there is no pre-infusion mode, you have to quickly rotate the lever down to get up to 3 bars to get preinfusion and after some time suitable for you rotate the lever again up to get classic 9 bars, OPV is always connected to water line goes to thermoblock. \- In dosing/automatic mode (by pressing the "cup" button) OPV is connected to the water line only during preinfusion time (10 secs for double shot) After this time machine disconnects OPV from the water line at all. Because of this you can see so much pressure. Engineers used adjustable OPV to give the ability to adjust pressure in manual mode and adjust pre-infusion pressure in dosing mode. So OMG, I have paid 2000 bucks and have a machine without any OPV in automatic mode. So for me high extraction pressure kills timing mode because I don't like the espresso extracted under higher pressure in 12-13bars. Currently I mostly use the machine only in manual mode to get the preinfusion in 3 bars and extraction with 8.5bar and looking how install an addition OPV, I mailed QuickMill 3 times and they responded with nothing intelligible and ignored my video with questions about how this OPV works (all 3 emails) within 1month. I sent them an email from another mailbox with a "test question" about another machine and they responded within 1 hour :). The right top edge of the machine is not strictly straight, it has a triangle form.Vibration pump is pretty loud, I had to wrap up polyurethane foam over a vibration pump, which reduced noise by half. The cable on the right side of the machine looks ugly, engineers could add a separate button or switch for starting manual extraction To access shot making timing (the most useful page) I have to press and wait for the longest amount of time or you have to connect your phone to machine WiFi and adjust settings in the browser. Basically I don't want to always change WIFI networks on my phone. FINAL thoughts: This machine is experimental and a matter of debate.I left the machine because it didn't make sense to pay $200 for return shipping. Do you have to pay 2K bucks for this machine - DEFINITELY NO. No support, no answers. I think the main idea of Sunny is that you can play with pressure as you want and the dosing mode is a minor additional mode or you have to install an additional OPV to limit pressure in this mode. I wanted an automatic mode as "set and forget it" to have every day identical shots with same flavor (with same beans of course) So it better to look at similar machines dual-boiler or thermoblock machines like LELIT Elizabeth PL92T, Silvia Pro X, ascaso steel Duo PID, Bezzera Crema

> @"coffeemaster"#p65187 This machine is experimental and a matter of debate.I left the machine because it didn’t make sense to pay $200 for return shipping. Do you have to pay 2K bucks for this machine - DEFINITELY NO. No support, no answers. It sounds like yours extracts automatically at high pressure. I did specify an extra expansion valve set to 9-10 bar to avoid this when using only the push buttons. **If** it's in your machine, it can be adjusted. My strong recommendation though **pay the $200 and return it!** *P.S. If you still decide not to return it, do not let the shower screen stay dirty for too long, your you will never unblock it and be buying new ones of those.*

*do not let the shower screen stay dirty for too long* Good point thanks, I unscrewed one without issues, the shower is also "unique" it has a spring >![URL=https://i.imgur.com/OHXPUCd.jpeg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/OHXPUCd.jpeg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/RInX5Ik.jpeg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/RInX5Ik.jpeg[/IMG][/URL]!<

> @"coffeemaster"#p65212 Good point thanks, I unscrewed one without issues, the shower is also “unique” it has a spring The spring is to a form of non return valve, so nothing goes back the wrong way when you cut the shot…remember this machine **cannot and should not be backflushed.**

> @"DavecUK"#p65207 I did specify an extra expansion valve What valve are you use and fittings? Especially item numbers and diameters

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