Evening looks like the Philios is out in the wild (well to someone on youtube !) Looking forward to the review https://youtube.com/shorts/a0Upq7N2v0E?si=O01ykOp7RBmrD5ff

Excitement builds!! Looking at the architecture it looks like someone in the UK too! I have absolutely zero interest in what the influencers think of this one, it’s a day one purchase for me.

@"HarveyMushman"#p60274 yes he is defo in the Uk - i do like his videos! I have not ordered the gbw allground - kinda waiting to see what the philos is like.. tbh nothing wrong with my current allground….. Still cannot see a price officially on the mazzer site - nor of they will have a reseller in the UK rather than a import from Venice.

I might’ve imagined this but I think @"DavecUK"#1 suggested Mazzer will retail this themselves and aim for a sub £1k price point (possibly for early adopters, with a later price rise). I’ve been waiting years for a single-dose, multi-method grinder from a heritage manufacturer that I like the design of. The latter two usually being the reason for me not buying anything yet. Tbh, even if it’s not perfect it’ll be an upgrade on my current setup and like the LM, just nice to own and use.

Looks great. I think I’ve read somewhere it’s between 900-100 euros.

@"Emc2"#p60303 I wish it was a 100 euros 😂

Quick snap from youtube as he has it on the shelf - and gives some nice size comparisons [URL=https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/c1yDEj3.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Rumours on HB, so take this with a pinch of salt, are that the Philos has been delayed. Wouldn’t surprise me given the impact global conflicts on supply chains.

Yeah I saw that. Though made me laugh that places took deposits and then refunded especially as I thought that mazzer were selling them direct to start with… but theres no info in the mazzer site either. Just waiting to see the review tbh - anyhow my blind shaker is about to arrive - so something else to play with 😂

Yeah the retailers I've spoken to in the UK said they had no plans to stock it. Looks like it will indeed be Mazzer direct. I can see the reviews being disappointing. There's no shortage of low priced 64mm flats and people who don't care about build quality, place of build and manufacturer heritage are going to say it's overpriced and find plenty of flaws I'm sure. It's an interesting price point because you can get capable single dosers for half the price or less, and it's obviously not going to compete with the top-end grinders like Kafateks etc. I think the only way this will sell well in the current market is if influencers really get behind it. Then again, I don't think Mazzer necessarily need it to sell massively well as the home market still isn't their bread and butter. I'm excited for it and have said before, will be buying it regardless but I don't expect it to be a flawless grinder.

depends really, the build should be better than that of the df and time mores, you would think, but its a saturated market there has been a zerno fs and a kafatec and weber eg1 all around £1500 on the old forum

Mazzer Philos

Adrianmsmith

Teaboy so now i have it this far do i put the 200’s back in ??!!…. Or give the 189 a few more days!!

P.s.

When undoing the screws give a strong sharp movement as opposed to gradually increasing pressure .

Adrianmsmith

HarveyMushman

Much the same but much weaker 🤪

And your hands smell nicer afterwards!!

Teaboy

Adrianmsmith what is that screwdriver please, it looks different to my PH2? Thank you

Adrianmsmith

Teaboy

It is not a pH2. It is a PH2 SL or PH/S 2

E.g. Wiha SoftFinish Electric SL/PH2 × 100 mm, Schwarz, (30715) https://amzn.eu/d/89u1VcX

The one i use…..

Wera Kraftform Kompakt VDE 62 i PH/S Take It Easy, 2 × 157 mm https://amzn.eu/d/9Rnklgh

Wera 05003441001 PH/S 2 × 154 mm “Kraftform Kompakt VDE 62i” Inter-Changeable Blade - Silver https://amzn.eu/d/c8SCA4V

Teaboy

Adrianmsmith thank you I have ordered one, do you happen to know what screws they are too please?

mykm

What torque?

Adrianmsmith

Teaboy

To replace them?

Can measure later if thats what you mean

Not sure you’d get that head in the uk but can check.

Popular in europe and things like consumer units….

Will measure if you want.

Adrianmsmith

Teaboy

So, they are:

m4 × 10 a4 But, with a low profile head. The standard m4 × 10 pz head will be too big.

I will gladly send you these 7 (1 for next time!!) which are m4 × 10 a2 tt20 head.

Green is original

Which are as close to the original profile i have.

Note tt20 is security with the pin and different from t20!!

Screwdriver bit Easily available from Screwfix if you do not have and as part of a DeWalt bit set usually.

Id guess you damaged the original by not “shock loading ” with a positive flick.

Send me your address to my email in my signature and will post out to you

This is a great set to get you going

DEWALT DT7969-QZ, 32 Piece XR Professional Magnetic Screwdriver Bit Accessory Set, Yellow https://amzn.eu/d/aaVT7JF

Teaboy

Adrianmsmith Please do measure thank you, I have messed one head up obviously using the incorrect screw driver, stupid me following mazzer advice of ph2 🙈

Adrianmsmith

Teaboy

Have you purchased new burrs.

If so and you email them i wouldn’t be surprised if they dont send you a set of genuine ones. In case not i will measure later…

In the uk you will probably purchase hex key or pz2 as replacements!!

You are on the uk?? Just asking depending what i find in the van as well!!

Teaboy

Adrianmsmith I have genuine burrs yes sold from UK supplier in London but no screws came with the burrs the packet was genuine and sealed.

Teaboy

Adrianmsmith I am in UK yes, thank you 🙏

HarveyMushman

Teaboy

Not saying this is what happened but there were some ‘suppliers’ in the UK who had the Philos for sale before it launched at marked up prices when Mazzer were (and maybe still are) the only official channel to buy one.

Note that there is an older 189D burr that has been used for a number of years in other 64mm grinders and the i189D for the Philos I think might be slightly different given that people have said the fit isn’t identical with Philos burrs in other grinders.

The 189D are widely available and usually £20-30. The i189D (as far as I know) are only available from Mazzer and are £95 + tax/shipping.

It’s confusing because the name is so similar but that’s because the i189 is based on the 189.

Adrianmsmith

HarveyMushman

You are correct on all counts!!

Total cost landed in the uk was approx £121. Had to order 2 sets to get in on the minimum order value. You can guess who has the other set!! I cant say due to gdpr!!

@Teaboy

Ensure they are the i180D ( inox ) for the philos for full compatibility.

The centre hole and overall thickness are slightly different to the ones for the SJ I believe.

I was not saying the screws should have been delivered with it. Just that mazzer may let you have a set if you tell them the situation.

This is what you should have received

Teaboy

HarveyMushman I got genuine mazzer philos ones, there are other 189D ones say for the mini but they don’t fit philos.

HarveyMushman

The older 189 burrs will probably have the Mazzer logo etched in grey rather than gold.

MediumRoastSteam

Interesting the burrs seem to be made of stainless steel (inox) rather than just strengthened steel - So technically it should not rust with RDT, if you ever need it?

Teaboy

Adrianmsmith Thank you very much, you are very kind and they will be greatly appreciated. I have emailed.

Jony

I have second burr set. Yes I struggled to get one out on the motor side , will replace it . It’s a little stripped. Thise screw look way better.

Adrianmsmith

Jony

Do you need some sending.

“I know where you are!!”

🤪

Jony

Adrianmsmith thanks for screws came yesterday.

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