chlorox I never said my taste buds are the arbiter for everybody. There does seem however to be a considerable number of people on the forums who agree with me on ssp burrs

Sure, I don’t expect you to be able to cater for everyone’s individual taste/preference but you seem confident that there is consensus to support a recommendation (there are many recommendations made, regarding all kinds of coffee products, offered & taken in good faith & accepted as such)…which, once again, you seem coy about doing.

Out of interest, did your grinder come with the SSP 83mm burrs installed?

    chlorox On burr swapping and warranty, niche seems to expressly forbid burr changing on pain of voiding the warranty which goes beyond keeping silent on the subject. They don’t want anyone to do so on their grinder…

    How do you know, what Niche did or did not test on their Duo during testing? Interested to know where you get your information from.

      MWJB
      Recommendation? I am not making a recommendation. I am saying there are substantial numbers of people on the forums who appear to believe that ssp burrs bring more clarity to the cup (to varying degrees) compared to more traditional burrs and especially to conical burrs- which represents a significant market that niche can capitalise on by simply adding such an option. Isn’t that a fairly inoffensive and self evident point?
      I don’t own a 83mm grinder. I would have considered the niche duo if it came with a burr set optimised for clarity like the ssp burrs though i am more inclined to hold out for a cheaper 98mm option.

      dfk41
      ? I don’t understand your post. I never said that niche tested or did not test any burrs. I merely repeated the oft stated point here that niche doesn’t allow the stock burrs to be replaced on their grinders on pain of voiding the warranty.

        I am bemused by why merely questioning if adding a burr option would be a good idea for the niche is found by some of the people here to be almost heretical…

          dfk41
          I am not making any assumption - isn’t it true that if u replace the burrs u r voiding the warranty? If it is then it is not an assumption - its a fact that is agreed by you. If so, then how is it relevant that the warranty lasts for 12 months?

          dfk41
          That is not what I am saying.i never said that the df grinders ar mechanically superior in robustness or construction than niche duo…all I am saying is ADD ANOTHER BURR OPTION TO THR NICHE…

          chlorox I migrated from a traditional type commercial level conical burr grinder to ssp flat burrs because the latter are just that much more clear to my palate.

          Would you be kind enough to share us what this SSP burrs set is please? It doesn’t have to be 83 mm. Thx

            chlorox I am bemused by why merely questioning if adding a burr option would be a good idea for the niche is found by some of the people here to be almost heretical…

            I think SSP burrs are good, very well made, slightly different flavour profile..Not as huge a difference as some make out, however Mazzer and SSP I do believe make some of the finest burrs out there. .

            I don’t agree that Niche should supply SSP burrs, that’s very difficult to do in quantity and makes the situation complex. I thought about whether they should supply the grinder with No burrs, just empty carriers….which is also problematic, because it’s then becomes difficult to test the grinders, especially as Niche test a large proportion of all their grinders to ensure customer satisfaction and the quality of what they produce.

            I do agree with you wholeheartedly that Niche could produce a Validated burrs list that would basically not invalidate your warranty by using them except of course, should you damage the carriers (grinder) installing said burrs…e.g strip threads, dropping them and bending a sweep arm etc…. The grinder is clearly capable of handling any burr thrown at it as it’s probably the only grinder out there that can chew through 18g of green coffee!!

            Their difficulty would be dealing with the large number of inevitable questions from people saying “this burr isn’t on your list, do you support it?”, or the equally irritating “Do you intend to support these burrs?”. These questions will arise even if they put, please don’t ask these sort of questions…the list is the list. The other issue is grind time, different burrs may well extend grind time, again a potential cause of questions “I saw a video, it ground in 22s, I put validated burrs in now it’s taking x seconds, is something wrong”. Never underestimate the ability for people to ask questions that make you scratch your heat or think RTFM, or more properly RTFW (ebsite).

            Mazzer production processes are super consistent and the burrs always stay within very tight tolerance for thickness and diameter….SSP might well introduce different thicknesses and diameters. I’m not sure they do and the ones I have seem very consistent, but it’s a very small sample…whereas I checked a very large quantity of Mazzer 83mm burrs.

            SSP from time to time bring out new burrs and retire old ones…but it’s not hard to ask SSP for a sample of new SSP burrs as they come out and validate them.

            The final point to consider is that Mazzer have been good for Niche and supply the very large number of burrs required for the Niche Zero and over the years a great deal of confidence has built up not only on Mazzers ability to supply in quantity, but at a consistently high quality.

            So validation I think could and should be done, but not having different burr options for sale. You buy it with 1 or 2 carriers, already fitted with Mazzer burrs….then later are free to use any burrs on the validated list.

            P.S. As for the Chinese burrs, for me the jury is out on those and why people suddenly think they are fantastic based on what influencers say….is beyond me. And for longevity, who knows.

              If warranty is important, then don’t mess with it. It may be difficult to establish if the user error has resulted in something not working. Niche isn’t the only one that prohibits tampering with the products under warranty. So, either we don’t buy it we don’t like, or wait until the warranty expiry or fiddle with it straightaway at our own risks. 😊

                LMSC

                I have said it above and repeatedly elsewhere and in my sig line. 64mm Ssp mp and cast lab sweet burrs.

                • LMSC replied to this.

                  DavecUK
                  Since ssp could supply lagom (before they developed their proprietary mizen burrs) as well as the sellers of df grinders like turin, wwould it be a problem for them to supply niche in sufficient volume?

                  The validated list can be a good solution. I would suggest however that if niche doesn’t want to supply ssp burrs with rhe grinder, they could sell a version of the grinder without any burrs but with just the burr carrier that will fit any burr on the validated list. Then the customer won’t need to pay for the mazzer burrs which means that he or she could spend the difference on the burrs they actually want to fit to the grinder.

                  Another solution for the high clarity customers is for niche to supply a suitable set from mazzer.

                  LMSC
                  Sorry if my response sounded annoyed- I didnnot mean to sound like I was snapping at u…

                  • LMSC replied to this.

                    Has anyone microwaved their coffee beans then put them in a grinder

                    LMSC Niche isn’t the only one that prohibits tampering with the products under warranty. So, either we don’t buy it we don’t like, or wait until the warranty expiry or fiddle with it straightaway at our own risks. 😊

                    Such as? Fellow, Lagom, DF, Zerno, and the more premium brands are also are all fine with burr swapping and actively encourage it. Has no impact on their warranty or support. Really it’s no more intrusive than the sort of maintenance and cleaning you should be doing to the grinder periodically anyway.

                    And that’s @chlorox’s point, lots of potential customers just like them have not bought it precisely because there’s no support for other burrs. You only need to step out of the bubble of this forum to see there’s a demand for other options, regardless of your opinion on specific burrs.

                    But many on here seem to be wanting it both ways, telling people who want different burrs to shop for a grinder elsewhere but then also getting defensive when people actually criticise the mazzer espresso burrs you are stuck with as a result.

                      @chlorox dont think sigs are working again, cant see yours

                      in reference to ssp burrs,

                      ive just fit ssp mp burrs in the filter carriers, they are a smaller diameter than the mazzer which in turn gives wiggle room on the horizontal plan, i had to shim the outer to level it up, in contrast the mazzer burrs needed upside down tapping to remove,

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