ACS - At World Of Coffee - Copenhagen

selmerfudd

@dfk41

@selmerfudd as your aware i have no axe to grind , im and end user, enthusiast, engineer and coffee lover.

Im nothing to do with the industry or acs.

I started speaking to Jake when he was having issues with the machine.

I had no intention at that time to buy another machine as i already had synchronika, vesuvius and evo 1 in the kitchen, much to my wifes despair!

I subsequently sold the synchronika so was down to (just) 2 machines, both far superior to the ecm which i had previously “liked”. Mine was the limited edition anniversary edition.

The build quality, engineering and tech behind the ACS is better than the ECM

ECM are a relatively massive company more akin to the appliance maufactureres you speak about.

Not all companies are going to grow to that size .

Many specialist “small companies” exist in many fields, not just coffee machines.

Look at the Kafatek video Jake linked and hopefully you will see why they are more expensive than a mass produced model from china . Out of my price range much as I would love to try one.

Due to the size and man power needed prices are not going to be low, except ACS keep prices liw by selling direct. What price would that machine be if it were in a retail shop.

i would suggest as a minimum +50%

To what gain? Happy retailers mainly .

Im sure Jake will contribute here if he disagrees with anything I say but I visited him to view the Evo2 and obviously we shook hands and i now have the machine. Many things contributed to why he was not happy with the machine but I was happy also to purchase from him.

Nothing was hidden as most of the internet knew some part of the issues 😜😎

We had a good chat and Jake was happy to make space for the arrival of a Decent machine to take its place.

Whilst the Decent concept intrigues me , im currently still more of a tactile,valves and buttons kind if guy.

The Evo2 has a good mix of control gear linked to traditional mechanics.

Now if David, @“dfk41” lived a hundred miles closer we could have compared the Mk1 and mk2 to satisfy his curiosity. I did than anyway as i had the Mk1 Mk2 and Vesuvius in the Kitchen .

Now if anyone says the Mk2 is superior IN THE CUP in any way then they are simply trying to delude themselves about the cash they have spent. Most likely they “upgraded” for all the wrong reasons.

The “Upgrade” is not about that.

The “Upgrade ” is all about convenience mainly due to the auto dump feature .

I would hope the guy who purchased my mk1 will enjoy it for a few years.

Im more than happy with the upgrade as it follows my way if thinking.

But, the coffee in the cup is just as good .

The most controversial , if thats the right word, feature is indeed the totally unnecessary so called safety system I’ve been resisting playing with until now. Id always planned on drilling the second hole but was in no hurry to do so other than i was intrigued if it would make any difference

Ive said previously and still believe the system is not required for any safety reason, but im still interested to explore what it can do . Just because i can! Would maybe have done it 3 months earlier if id not broke my tibial plateau.

So the obvious facts.

Due to the restricted input which is by virtue of the need for massive damping should the portafilter be hit with a passing elephant and knocking it off whilst under pressure (sorry but it is true!!) the unaided natural max pressure is 10.5 bars.

This means if you are auto dumping by pressure, to get the same volume in the cup you need to lower your dump pressure by around 0.4 bars compared to using the standard sleeve. Not a real issue as most of the world believe 8 to 9 bars is required at some point in the espresso brewing process.

The system is still capable or shoving 70g of water through a puck, therefore my 46g is perfectly achievable. Video available if you don’t believe me!