Hario V60 alternative filter papers - Rombouts No.4 white filters.

MWJB

les24preludes That won’t really work, you need the ground coffee in there as the coffee bed is part of the filtration media & the particles will interact with the paper to affect brew times. Brew times are not really precise enough to tune brews anyway. Focus on the grind setting & keeping the pour speed constant.

I did find the latest smooth inner, medium crepe outer Hario paper brewed a little faster, but normalising brew time didn’t fix flavour issues.

I found I had too grind a bit coarser for Rombouts and slow the pour rate with more pulses, I suspect the Rombouts is a coarser filtration medium compared to latest Hario.

I can’t remember which Hario papers you have, there’s a few white papers out there branded as Hario.

les24preludes

I have the latest Hario green stripe - that’s the only one I’ve had so far.

Yes, with Rombouts I’m grinding coarser with more pulses. Playing around with the grind, though. It’s a better paper than the Hario, but that’s not difficult.

LMSC

@MWJB Do you know what your percentage of fines under 400 Kruve please ? Thx

MWJB

LMSC 6% under 400Kruve for manual poured brews with a gooseneck

LMSC

MWJB Where would 12% take you in terms of yield and critically taste?

MWJB

LMSC Personally, I wouldn’t go that fine with a gooseneck poured V60 and the Rombouts paper. I was at 12% with the med crepe white Hario, but was driven coarser with the paper change.

I’m in that region though with a more restricted brewer like the Bartleet (Melitta style with 3 holes), maybe you could do it with the Mugen?

LMSC

MWJB I’m happy with the Hario project Waterfall. Was just curious what difference this paper makes. 😊

Zephyp

I’ve done some testing and my current setting is 46 on a C40 Red Clix with the Rombouts, which would be 23 without Red Clix. The sifting on this setting gives me around 14% under 400. I’ve gone coarser, but never found it to taste better in that direction. I’m pretty happy with the brews these days.

les24preludes

I’ve been using Rombouts for months with good results but I just got a packet of 4 Cafec filters…T90, Abaca+, T83, T93. This has changed my attitude to filters in an unexpected way. My favourite was the T92 filter for its clarity and clean taste, with a very lingering finish. Long draw down with a medium grind. The T92 is the unloved Cafec with few users, so why did I prefer the taste? Digging further into the design of these Cafecs I found that the T90 holds up the oils in the beans the most. So my interpretation is that this is what is making the difference. Almost all the feedback on the Cafecs refer to draw down times and fines, but I rarely see oils mentioned.

Can anyone comment on this? It seems to be a different way of looking at filter papers. Interestingly the Abaca+ which is often compared to the T90 because of draw down speed, is much closer to the T92 for clarity in the cup.

MWJB

les24preludes Digging further into the design of these Cafecs I found that the T90 holds up the oils in the beans the most. So my interpretation is that this is what is making the difference. Almost all the feedback on the Cafecs refer to draw down times and fines, but I rarely see oils mentioned.

Can anyone comment on this? It seems to be a different way of looking at filter papers.

Filter papers generally remove the vast majority of the oils, as well as smaller, bittering particles of bean.
Coffee oils/lipids do not dissolve into the drink & are not considered contributors to coffee extraction, only the soluble solids are. When you get a lot of oils in coffee it mostly contributes to mouthfeel, but in terms of flavour, coffee oil is pretty generic, bitter, bileous and, well, ….oily.

I seem to recall the Scandinavians doing some research of filtered coffee vs their traditional coffee kettle immersions, paper filtered coffee reducing the oils by about 90-95%

Platypus

Has anyone any experience of these?

https://www.coffeehit.co.uk/products/cafec-cone-shaped-disposable-abaca-coffee-filters?variant=39324477259970

Currently half price at coffee hit.

les24preludes

Good call! 2 sided crepe would be like the T90 and T83 Cafec filters. The T92 is described as one side crepe. Not sure about the Abaca. But frankly all these papers seem have some kind of of texture on both sides. It’s hard to tell just by looking at them.

MWJB

les24preludes Good call! 2 sided crepe would be like the T90 and T83 Cafec filters. The T92 is described as one side crepe. Not sure about the Abaca.

Cafec T-90, Cafec Abaca and the old, untabbed Japanese white V60 paper sold as Hario, are all the same.

MWJB

Double post

Zephyp

I brought some of the Rombouts filters to work and wanted to compare them to the ones we got at work (Ali Coffee, a Norwegian coffee brand) for Moccamasters. It’s difficult to tell, but they look pretty identical and after 5-6 cups I don’t know if I can tell them apart. They both got the wavy line on the crimped edges. There are lots of brands out there and many of them likely buy their papers from the same production facilities. I found some traces to Germany for Ali. Factories around the world probably use the same or similar production equipment, so the design and visual cues might not tell the entire story.

Platypus

I received the Brewista X series and they are quite different to the Rombouts and to the new green packaged Hario and the old Hario tabbed . Not saying they are any better or any worse, just different. The filter seems thicker and the weave tighter , less transparent and more silky on the outside but more of a rough texture inside compared to the old Hario tabbed. The outside seam is also much finer and closer to the edge 🤷‍♀️

They are sold as Brewista Cafec but there’s no mention of Cafec on any of the packaging, they are made in Japan.

Would anyone know what these would be comparable to or are they a rebranded Cafec filter?

I don’t have any old untabbed Harios to compare them to.

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