Initial thoughts on Kafatek Monolith

Cuprajake

my point is who cares, its his money can do what he pleases - without justification.

profesor_historia

Cuprajake of course Jake, I didn’t ask Dave to justify it, it’s his matter, of course, not my problem, I was talking about what one it’s supposed to expect from an expensive grinder.

They are only thoughts, for God sake, don’t take so personally:) it’s something called “ the right to a free speech”…..

Cuprajake

profesor_historia we dont have that here in the uk .. ps sounded like you were asking him to, dfk will be the first to tell you that stuff can be lost on him taste wise, but fair play to him getting what he want, if i could afford one i would to they are the pinnacle of grinders imo - taste or not the way they are made is what you pay for

mykm

HarveyMushman from their website.

“KafaTek grew out of passion for coffee and obsession over precision.”

That is the aim of the engineering. To make the most precise hyper-aligned grinders possible. As most will agree, alignment is key to long term consistency and getting the most out of whatever bean you enjoy. You won’t have to ever shim these grinders to attain alignment.

And Kafatek is fully transparent with these “claims” with a number of videos showing their work. The last story they posted on IG showed a 98mm burr (which if you’re not familiar, they make a variety of their own burrs in house out of surgical stainless steel) that was fractions of a micron within dimension which is in the realm of aerospace prescion..for a coffee grinder folks..totally insane but true to their ethos.

It does come with a price, but it’s the type of product that is built so well as to be handed down to the next generation while maintaining it’s prescion.

As such I will close by saying the burrs get better and better with time “seasoning” and expect your grind setting to require going finer over several pounds of beans. That is when I would do a flavor comparison

dfk41

mykm As such I will close by saying the burrs get better and better with time “seasoning” a

Which is exactly why I am steering well clear of talking or comparing at this point. I have had dozens of grinders, many new. In the old days I often religiously stood and ground 3 or 4 kilos to season…..nowadays I do not bother. But, I have a couple of kilos of rubbish and over the weekend will run them through in a couple of sessions, so that perhaps next week we can have some fun! I realise now that I have made a mistake by only having coffee that is new to me but I will manage.
Today I have been very tired and only made two espressos. No RDT. First one ground into the silicon type cup supplied…..loads of static…….second shot into my Niche cup, not a grain of static so thats pleasing.

profesor_historia

HarveyMushman somehow that was my question too but you express it much better

profesor_historia

Cuprajake what you don’t have in the UK?:) didn’t get that

Raja123

I haven’t seen some of these user names posting frequently here, but I do wonder if some of the questions being posed are fueled by the threads and responses DFK has posted during his colored forum career. At times, we are all guilty of inciting discord.

I’m airing my own issues here, too. I’m trying hard to be more positive about things overall, and have to try hard not to tell people they are wrong and somehow making myself feel good about doing it (meaningless ego trips).

dfk41

Raja123 I haven’t seen some of these user names posting frequently here, but I do wonder if some of the questions being posed are fuelled by the threads and responses DFK has posted during his coloured forum career.

Moi……LOL. I used to be a stroppy twat, now I am just grumpy! For the record, I have never been the things that I was accused of by a certain group. This all stemmed from the battle to take over the running on CFUK. One side lost who all exited to their own forum. One side won, and here we are! Unfortunately, this group persuaded a certain individual to try and cancel me, based on lies and hatred. I bear absolutely no ills and am still here, although older but not sure about the wise bit!

profesor_historia

Raja123 I don’t have so much time to post here several times a day like some folks :) and no, don’t have anything against Dave, on contrary, I like his comments and he seems a very fine guy. I apologise if I said something wrong.

Cuprajake

sadly opinions are like a**holes we all have um, i say fair play to dave,

fwiw there was one point when id never of bought a decent, didnt think much of them or the way they get round the vat selling, but here i am smitten with it till the next lever comes along,

think the good thing with coffee is its so subjective and personal that everyone can enjoy it at a level,

there will be people who dont get on with dfk as he’s an expert at rubbing people up the wrong way, ive just come to learn thats him, tiswas

Raja123

Yes, people will hopefully see that he means well. It’s just that we tend to attract what we put out. Comes with the territory.

mykm

FWIW the silicone cup is for dosing beans into the hopper, not intended for catching ground coffee. A metal cup or direct to PF is the intended workflow

dfk41

mykm Thanks for that. My bad! I knew that but I ought to have stated that I knew the silicone cup was not intended for that purpose but I used it just to demonstrate that the correct cup is a stainless one. At some point I will adjust the pf clamps then will try grinding straight in! Cheers matey

DavecUK

mykm A metal cup or direct to PF is the intended workflow

Just this morning I finally took the metal grind cup from my T64 and put it above the portafilter arms to grind into it, having got completely fed up with grinding into the portafilter on my Kafatek Flat Max 2. This is because when grinding into the portafilter:

the workflow isn’t fantastic
the puffer is messy
I can’t check the output weight and there is some retention in the chute the puffer doesn’t get out
you have to bugger about with the grounds in the portafilter stirring and stuff.

The difference was night and day…it was easier, the inversion process to transfer the grinds eliminated stirring and distribution, static was almost eliminated and the counter was cleaner. So the K is good and the grind quality is good, but the workflow is lacking, especially if you grind directly into the portafilter…which I will no longer be doing..

HarveyMushman

They definitely look impressive, a joy to own I’m sure.

I should stop looking at this thread really. Or at least get the wife to hide my wallet if I do.

Cuprajake

profesor_historia free speech, was a joke 🤣

dfk41

profesor_historia All is well matey! My old forum name used to be Rhino Hide, then I became The Hound and of recent years I have mellowed enough to have a proper name!

Jason1wood

dfk41 like I’ve mentioned before, you’re a pussycat really.

Honestly gents he’s a pleasure to deal with in the real world 🤣🤣🤣

dfk41

Jason1wood real

Define real…..LOL

Adrianmsmith

Jason1wood

you being careful because “he knows where you live”.

hahaha

Pompeyexile

I wouldn’t say dfk41 has a sharp tongue, but I heard once he was eating a cream cake and went to lick some cream off his top lip and cut it:)

dfk41

Pompeyexile I sense a name change is needed! I used to be that man……now I am a retiree who just looks to get through the day avoiding most things except food and coffee……will I ever learn to suffer fools though…..that is the challenge!

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