pandabear agree but their write a big known brand and would be easy to find parts with generic setup for servicing. I doubt they’re build quality is worse than Lelit 🤔

      dang2484

      You’re right and I had a good second look but I don’t like the styling of it all that much (polished stainless, odd comic sans looking fonts), plus the water tank seems a right-side removal which wouldn’t work with my setup unfortunately!

      Appreciate you making me aware though, thank you!

        Tin hat time, but for me, the best dual boiler value wise is the Sage DB. They revamped the internals in late 2022 by changing both boilers and reverting to compression fittings to stop the issues of O rings degrading. Priced at £1249 I have seen it for £1050 at Clumsy Goat for example. 2 year warranty from Sage, with ongoing repairs from Coffee Classics. You would need to check that they are discounting current stock though as one or two still have the black version which went out of production ages ago

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          To be fair a friend of mine who makes most of his purchasing decisions based on what John Lewis have on display ignored all my advice and got a Sage DB and he’s been really happy with it.

          He’s also not had any problems with it. It pains me to say it but it’s also not the worst looking machine when compared to some of the £500-£1500 options out there.

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            There are two Sage DB’s for sale on the other forum atm which priced well.

            Pound for pound the SDB is the best price machine available with temp stability up there with high end machines.

            dfk41

            I’ve just seen you can get it with the Smart Grinder for a few pennies under £1100. Could gift that to my cousin. Very tempting…

                I went from a Sage Duo Temp to the MaraX and the Duo Temp felt very flimsy, that’s the only thing that’s holding me back.

                I would suggest Rancilio SPX, excelente build quality, like a tank, works like a clockwork, easy, simple, delivers what you expect from her (it). I would buy it again with my closed eyes. I had to sell it when we sold the flat (divorce etc) and now my new flat is smaller and literally don’t have space…

                I imagine it’s expensive to ship, besides taxes etc but now in Spain it’s 1355€ shipping included directly from Rancilio España.

                Thanks all for your thoughts.

                I don’t think the perfect machine exists and I was torn between the Rancilio, Sage and maybe taking a punt on something like The Argos (but it feels too soon). The other options are just too expensive for my budget right now and I was struggling to justify them.

                I couldn’t find a good deal on a Rancilio or a decent refurbished one that was circa £1000 which was my mental limit so I’ve gone with a Sage BDB refurbished with 12 months warranty for £600 that I managed to find in great condition. Should arrive soon and I’ll have 30 days to return if I’m not happy. Hopefully it’ll be a keeper for a while until budget increases or I get itchy feet!

                HarveyMushman It pains me to say it but it’s also not the worst looking machine when compared to some of the £500-£1500 options out there.

                Or some a lot more expensive. He could have ended up with a lmlm 🤭🤪

                Sage dual boiler has to be the best bang for buck out there.

                Some great videos out there from Lance etc from a few years back.

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                    pandabear I’ve just seen you can get it with the Smart Grinder for a few pennies under £1100

                    Id go for that, sell the grinder on ebay and get a niche zero. Bargain

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                        Adrianmsmith

                        I’ll see what this one is like first. I doubt I will dislike it but this gives me the chance to see and test for 30 days. And it’s actually in the black which I prefer, which is £100 more from Clumsy Goat over the stainless. So even after potentially selling the grinder I’d be ~£450 better off, albeit with a shorter warranty and potentially a couple of marks. We’ll see once I get it!

                        And I’ve already got a Niche Zero! 😁

                          Adrianmsmith Or some a lot more expensive. He could have ended up with a lmlm 🤭🤪

                          I’m only slightly biased but it’s the nicest looking machine out there and I won’t be told otherwise!



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