A Jolly (v pro) Time !

HarveyMushman

I found if you stick to a similar amount of about 50-60g chucked in each day it would all grind through well at the same setting.

You’re right though, if you fill the hopper more, there would be a difference in grind setting between a full hopper and an empty one.

dfk41

HarveyMushman I think it depends on how the beans are fed into the burrs. A lot of grinders use an auger and I am pretty sure our host did extensive testing on a Ceado E92. This was a monster conical that he adapted for single dosing back in the days before SD really took off. But, in reality it matters not!

Jason1wood

Have been throwing in about 100g at a time, into mythos and haven’t noticed any difference at all to tossing in 1kg.

That said, I’m unable to detect all the minute flavours many here talk about haha

dfk41

Jason1wood I am having to trawl the far annals of my very poor memory Jason. I think you will find the pour time decreases without a weight of beans. The downside to a hopper is inconsistency. By that I mean, the plus side is if 5 friends turn up you insert the portafilter, click and away you go. The downside is that your grind is set by a timer so if you put 250 gms of beans in the ground and weighed each shot you would get a wide range of output, especially as the beans start to empty out.
If you are not a single doser (and I never used to be) then it is not important to know you have put 17.35gms of beans in and received 17.25 gms out. But that does affect taste to a certain extent, as does output. A shot will taste different at 1:2 than 1:3. Then of course, if you are a milk drinker then that covers everything as well!

HarveyMushman

Yes tbh even if I did see slight variance in extractions throughout a hopper it was rarely enough to ruin the taste.

Maybe for a super taster, but super taster I am not.

Jason1wood

I have the odd espresso, but me and her are both milk based drinkers, so not a massive issue.

To be honest, got a bit sick of the faff of single dosing, maybe as I was using the Gaggia and Silvia, haven’t single dosed on the Evo as of yet as the gaggia and DF64 are at girlfriends

MattH

I am a 99% milk drinker tbh - and its probably why I like a darker roast to get a punch of flavour..

I usually just stick in about 300 grams (as that’s about all I could get in the all grind hopper) and work through it.

Luckily I guess I am also not a super taster….

Thanks for the tip I have ordered a smaller hopper - though went for the 600 not the 320 though that was because it came with the new lid which has the slight seal and the indent to hold the cover card magnet :)

Should be here tomorrow. Then I can pack everything else away - along with the all grind as a backup for a rainy day (or if I suddenly become a filter/moka drinker….)

dfk41

At one time, you had no choice but to use a hopper system, and we all did. There were various modifications one could do to certain grinders of course, then along came the Niche Zero and absolutely turned the market upside down and back to front (and inside out).
What you could do if you were really bothered, is weigh in say 6 or 8 x your average dose eg 17gm. Your machine I would imagine is set up on a timer? If you do this experiment you would need to grind into a catching vessel and record the weight of the 6 or 8 shots. The time ought to be a constant. Then see if the reduction of beans in the hopper has any effect on the pour.
I totally agree with you that having a hopper and doing what I have suggested is totally nonsensical, but it might give you some data to improve your technique going forward.

MattH

So the smaller hopper arrived very quickly from the seller on ebay - much better for my needs

Also came across a lance video on youtube about making Italian espresso - now as my tastes are traditional this tweaked my interest so - I have been tryjng this out (courser grind - quicker output) with the Jolly and enjoying the outcome ! All in all a very good week !!

Now I also see the huge mc6 is up for sale - that would have been an interesting one to try as its a large conical !!

Jason1wood

MattH the Kafatek isn’t that big, or were you talking burrs? It’d sit perfectly alongside the LM 👌

Adrianmsmith

MattH wow, thats the small hopper 🤪😎

Do they do a nonnohopper maybe 🥴

Unfortunately its all too big for a kitchen that has cupboards.

So pleased single doding is what i prefer, otherwise id have a problem 🙃

MattH

Jason1wood I mean the burrs.. and yea it would probably fit nicely in the space of the Jolly.. just 2k short ;)

Tbh probably overkill for me - the jolly is very jolly and works really well in my workflow…. I should maybe put the all grind up for sale but you can guarantee I would then decide to make filter coffee……… hehe

MattH

Adrianmsmith Its the 600gram - there is a 320gram but I wanted the updated lid so I could mount the clip :)

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