Evening, so out of the blue the new mazzer was delivered to a neighbour yesterday… hoorah. I have literally just got it out of the box - setup the portafilter holder which is extremely adjustable. The first possible issue (almost) was fitting the beast on my tiny coffee bar.. so a bit of rearranging later I have got it all on. It makes the allgrind look like a small toy. I realise this is a commercial bit of kit - but it's beautifully finished(I got the black one - no choice there) - with plenty of accessories to help you adapt the grinder to any size of portafilter. Plus I like the magnetic clip for the lid so I can stick the label of the bag out in front. I gave the innards a quick hoover - as I could see some test coffee had been put through it in the factory (and the zero point set then as well). So I loaded it up with the next bag from the bay variety pack - stuck the grinder on "3" and did a couple of coffees to try out. I seemed to pick a pretty good start point.. though I think I need to try it with one of my local coffee roasters which I have used before before I can make any real comments. So the good - it's actually pretty quiet when running - and it's very very quick. There is a fan which kicks in for about 3 mins after a run - but even that is no louder than what you would hear from a PC. The portafilter button - and the ability set the grind time with a pause is great - just what I was looking for.. push get coffee- quick shake and a second push to finish. The access to the burrs is simple and of course you don't lose the setting as the entire (heavy) plate lifts off with the top burr. Its a seriously over the top grinder for my 2/4 coffees a day :) but even on the first couple of doses the coffee looked very light and fluffy…… Also with the increase in price of the Philos - this actually worked out a bit cheaper to buy - the website I got it from (Hamlet) seemed to be about 100 quid less than other sites I has come across in the UK (and the commercial Mazzers pricing is all over the place with some websites charging more than 500 quid extra) A good end to the Weekend! cheers Matt

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Love it. Proper grinder! If it’s anything like the previous generation you should be able to get a short hopper which will make a huge difference to the overall scale. OD grinders get sidelined these days due to the prevalence of single dosing but I’ve still got a soft spot for them. Something about being able to just jam your PF into a grinder that feels like it will outlast you, and watching a dose of fluffy coffee appear in a handful of seconds. Enjoy! Edit: Just found this on Google, pretty sure that’s the original Jolly short hopper which you should be able to get for about £25 online. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/OA5xlhA.jpeg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/OA5xlhA.jpeg[/IMG][/URL]

@"MattH"#780 Sounds like youre in for a Super Jolly time ahead of you ☕☕ Looks like a great grinder especially with the smaller hopper.

Glad to see someone else going away from single dosing 👏👏👏

@"Jason1wood"#p78784 tbh I never got there unless you count my hand grinder 😂

I tried it with a DF64 but have since gone back to my Mythos and it does away with weighing, wdt etc 👌

Looks a beast. How do you find retention and exchanged grinds between sessions? Do you find it impacts your first drink of a session, or do you purge out stale coffee before starting a session?

@"Tal"#p78795 er its been on the bar 24 hours and I have had 2 shots through it 😂 Though with the allgrind I just dosed to the weight I wanted and never really worried about retention/exchange - when I changed beans (usually do a kilo at a time ) then I would give it a hoover first. I suspect it will be the same with mazzer. I will say when I took off the top of the mazzer there is not much space for the coffee to stick around / so hoping its nice and easy to manage. I purposely bought it for the work flow - stick in the portafilter - hit the button - it fills 75% then pauses - little shake to level and click again to finish off - for me thats perfect 👌

@"MattH"#p78800 Haha yeh that's cool mate! I'll check back in a week :p I had on demand grinders (Eureka Mignon) before the single dose Niche and I loved how easy it was to just use beans from a bigger hopper, especially the timer based specialita, but I did obsess about shot time variability which I attributed to stale grinds. Which led me to purge 2g or so of coffee every session which annoyed me eventually! In hindsight it could have been variability of my HX machine temp just as much as it could have been stale grinds. At the moment I tend to switch between decaf and a couple of other beans, so single dose works for me. But if I ever go down to nailing a whole bag at a time without switching, then a hopper based grinder would be back on the bench for sure. You and @"Jason1wood"#647 should fight out who has the biggest…… Mythos Vs Jolly!

I used to just stick about a day’s worth in the hopper each morning. I couldn’t taste the difference between that and single dosing fresh. A few days in a hopper yes, but not a few hours. I wonder if the I200 burrs work well in the V Pro. If I didn’t grind for filter as well I’d 100% still have an on-demand grinder.

A Jolly (v pro) Time !

dfk41

At one time, you had no choice but to use a hopper system, and we all did. There were various modifications one could do to certain grinders of course, then along came the Niche Zero and absolutely turned the market upside down and back to front (and inside out).
What you could do if you were really bothered, is weigh in say 6 or 8 x your average dose eg 17gm. Your machine I would imagine is set up on a timer? If you do this experiment you would need to grind into a catching vessel and record the weight of the 6 or 8 shots. The time ought to be a constant. Then see if the reduction of beans in the hopper has any effect on the pour.
I totally agree with you that having a hopper and doing what I have suggested is totally nonsensical, but it might give you some data to improve your technique going forward.

MattH

So the smaller hopper arrived very quickly from the seller on ebay - much better for my needs

Also came across a lance video on youtube about making Italian espresso - now as my tastes are traditional this tweaked my interest so - I have been tryjng this out (courser grind - quicker output) with the Jolly and enjoying the outcome ! All in all a very good week !!

Now I also see the huge mc6 is up for sale - that would have been an interesting one to try as its a large conical !!

Jason1wood

MattH the Kafatek isn’t that big, or were you talking burrs? It’d sit perfectly alongside the LM 👌

Adrianmsmith

MattH wow, thats the small hopper 🤪😎

Do they do a nonnohopper maybe 🥴

Unfortunately its all too big for a kitchen that has cupboards.

So pleased single doding is what i prefer, otherwise id have a problem 🙃

MattH

Jason1wood I mean the burrs.. and yea it would probably fit nicely in the space of the Jolly.. just 2k short ;)

Tbh probably overkill for me - the jolly is very jolly and works really well in my workflow…. I should maybe put the all grind up for sale but you can guarantee I would then decide to make filter coffee……… hehe

MattH

Adrianmsmith Its the 600gram - there is a 320gram but I wanted the updated lid so I could mount the clip :)

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