Nurri Leva S.A.

Viernes It has a 3-sensor PID, not 3 separate PIDs. Does it matter? Who knows, but given that the 3 PIDs on the ACS seem to respond well to rather different parameters (at least on group and brew boiler), it might… at some level.

On materials, the only thing I know for sure, as it’s in the published specs for both, is that the body of the ACS is in AISI 304, the one of the Nurri in 430, which is a bit cheaper and a bit less resistant to corrosion. The zebrano is approximately 10,000 times nicer than the walnut, but it’s purely aesthetic, and I’m “limited” to stainless by budget and stock anyway. I can’t find any photos of the interior… [hint, hint]

dfk41 Sorry, didn’t mean to reply snarkily if it came across like that - just typing between meetings at work… Perfectly valid questions, which I have/had myself - I wish there were a few more details on the Nurri, even just photos of the inside. It’s just too new.

The wood does looke nice, the ACS wood always struck me as commercial/functional

Cuprajake The wood does looke nice, the ACS wood always struck me as commercial/functional

It is…the Zebra Wood used on the Nurri is quite expensive.

Yeah I looked at loads of woods in the past.

I might be biased as an EVO owner, but I’m not sure I see much much merit overall in the added features from the Nurri Leva, save for the shot timer (which is convenient, although an easy to read pressure gage more than comensates)

The flushing paddle function can be achieved by pulling the lever (which can be dangerous as for flushing there is no backpressure from a coffee puck), but a clever person might be able to jerry rig a paddle to press on the small lever in the back of the group

The pressure release paddle might save a few seconds at the end of a shot, but it means more cleaning (Using plastic cup trays as DavecUK I pretty much do not need to clean the drip tray after each shot… ), and more maintenance (as dirty water flows back through the group)… it could also create some hazard as the level can move quickly when the paddle is pressed.

The fact that the motion of the paddles is not consistent (one rotates on a vertical axis; the other on a horizontal axis) seems odd.

Of course, there are aesthetic considerations and its good to have some competition/emulation, but I struggle to see much market for this machine (and I have nothing against Antonio Nurri to be clear!)

LMSC Tbh, we haven’t seen the need to back flush the Evo after 9 months of ownership, have we?

I must say I don’t see the point of back flushing on the Evo… On a machine with a 3-way solenoid or likely the Nurri this is different.
What is useful though is to be able to flush the group, for instance to clean the shower screen after shots (and the right paddle of the Nurri makes this marginally simpler)

I also like how they removed the nuts off the group

CoyoteOldMan It has a 3-sensor PID, not 3 separate PIDs. Does it matter? Who knows, but given that the 3 PIDs on the ACS seem to respond well to rather different parameters (at least on group and brew boiler), it might… at some level.

It might… or not. The Nurri also responds well to keep stable the desired temperature. At least in my experience.

CoyoteOldMan On materials, the only thing I know for sure, as it’s in the published specs for both, is that the body of the ACS is in AISI 304, the one of the Nurri in 430, which is a bit cheaper and a bit less resistant to corrosion. The zebrano is approximately 10,000 times nicer than the walnut, but it’s purely aesthetic, and I’m “limited” to stainless by budget and stock anyway. I can’t find any photos of the interior… [hint, hint]

But to what corrosion? I don’t bathe the machine in acid and I don’t pull the lever under the sea. I give it normal use. And with proper use, you are not to get corrosion.

The materials must be appropriate to the use that is required. Using the best of the best, maybe it’s cool, but unnecessary if the purpose doesn’t require it and all it does is increase the cost.

Perhaps you value a lot that the steel of a machine is 316 instead of 430. I’m not saying it’s not important to you! But we all have our preferences. I do not find it so important, which I think is ok too.

“Better materials” are not only related to what kind of stainless is used, of course. So It seems you like the little details about the quality, I’ll give some details I remember right now:

The L-Type was designed from scratch to be a lever machine. This means that the machine does not tip -despite the group height clearance and no use of counterweight (which it’s an interesting challenge)- and has the required minimal front panel flex because lever forces were emulated on computer software.

The group is attached to the body machine with teflon washers instead of a pad to minimize the heat transfer to the machine’s body, thus reducing internal heat. If my memory is correct, I think - 7ºC was calculated.

The boilers heaters are removable. Not welded.

There was a choice over different group brands. The TOF group was discarded for technical reasons. But I think still one can ask Nurri to mount one in the machine if you really want it.

Viernes Emulation? What do you mean?

emulation /ɛmjʊˈleɪʃ(ə)n/

noun

effort to match or surpass a person or achievement, typically by imitation.

“their success is inspiring emulation from others”

I’m glad you like the features of your machine and its design. After all this is all that matters to all of us.

not another lever war haha

thats three now -

im glad you like the nurri, it looks stunning, has good features, i looked at them but the size of it made it look huge,

people get way to protective of the stuff they buy

Viernes You haven’t shared your first impressions review, have you? Please do. 😊

Hi Viernes Thanks for all the thoughts/information. I think anyone spending £/€ 3,000+ on a coffee machine is either a bit obsessive and interested in the fine details, or so rich that they don’t care, in which case the suggestion made by Paolo5 probably applies…

I have been researching the Nurri machine fairly extensively over the last couple of weeks… not finding much; the Nurri site has very little info beyond a few nice photos and badly written/poorly translated marketing spiel.

For example, the fact that the group is insulated, the heating elements are removable and the group is not a TOF one are all news to me, yet these are (in my opinion) two plus points, and one interesting one re: the choice of a different group - why? I’m not keen on getting a TOF group per se, but an indication from Nurri of what are the reasons for choosing something else, and how the something else is different from a standard La San Marco group would be really interesting to know.

Viernes The L-Type was designed from scratch to be a lever machine. This means that the machine does not tip -despite the group height clearance and no use of counterweight

Well… while the ACS machine has an 8 kg counterweight, the overall weight of both is similar, so there must be some additional weighting going on in the Nurri - the other components are pretty similar in size and weight, after all. Again, one plus point (group height clearance) which is missing from all published information; it “seems so” from the photos, but only a user (you) can confirm it.

Viernes The L-Type also has a pressure gauge. You have both, pressure gauge and timer.

In fact, from the photos, it seems to have 2 - but again, there is no information on what they measure. The one on the left is clearly group pressure. I assume the one on the right is for steam/service boiler pressure, considering the scale and the fact that it doesn’t seem to move when pulling a shot.

Where did you get this information and the rest, including the use of CAD to design the structure? Just to be clear, I’m not doubting your word; I’m just trying to find out as much info as I can, be it on English, Spanish, Italian, French, Dutch or German forums… or any other language! Google search is not my friend, in this case. Again - thanks for posting, this is very useful for me in the current “undecided” situation, but it’s also going to be useful to others researching the machine.

Buen fin de semana, y gracias!

i think with any new machine there is very little info,

i remeber saying the same when looking at londiniums, and ssp burrs,etc which is why i put videos up about the products i have

im sure as more hit the market, there will be more videos for people to see,

re the counter weight would the front leg design not stop the machine pulling forward,