Love my Niche but looking at getting a flat burr grinder to complement it. Besides the Lagom P64 can anybody recommend another flat burr grinder in that price range or less? To be uesed for single dosing.

Currently have a df64 but stock is okish not worth it over a niche. Once modded though (especially the declumber mod) and aligned properly it becomes a very good sidegrade from the niche to try flats. It has its shortcomings but very liveable I would say. Otherwise the only other good option is the kopiconcepts deva grinder. I left out the new eureka grinder cause reviews and overall construction leaves much to be desired. King of the hill at the moment is the lagom p64 since it has perfect alignment.

> @"Otaibimn"#p11957 King of the hill at the moment is the lagom p64 since it has perfect alignment. How is this evidenced?

@"DavecUK"#p11958 Df64 fully aligned (Dial Gauge) with SSP HU and p64 stock SSP HU. The df64 cannot grind fine enough to create enough puck resistance and most you get decent turbo shots. Carrier concentricty and general alignment is seriously needed at that level. Stock burrs are extremely decent and will be fine for most consumers but SSP hu 64mm is my main focus. The flavor profile is basically the perfect balance between conicals and flats. The current avaliable grinder with perfect alignment out of the box is the p64. The kopi deva has a nice malleable piece of copper that deforms during alignment so hoping it will solve this dilemma.

kopi deva looks nice tbf, ive seen a few vids on it, be nice to see how it grinds if you have the space there is a bargin of a mazzer major on ebay £400 5 months old, theres alot of 83mm flats for sale atm

@"Cuprajake"#p11961 I have put in an offer for the mazzer. For that sort of price seems like a good option to try out a flat burr. Space is not really an issue.

Its a cracking price Its been unsold the last 2 or 3 times, it finished yesterday at 400 no bids. Good luck

@"Cuprajake"#p11963 Seller counter offered and I accepted. So I have Major Mazzer on it's way hopefully soon - I am drinking a lot of lighter roasts at the moment so thought a flat burr may complement the Niche. Looking forward to getting it 🙂 Thanks for the ebay advice Cuprajake.

Brill. I was tempted as an update to mine as its a very good machine.

@"Cuprajake"#p11965 I thought, for its price, it would be a wise move to get it to "test the water" so to speak. To spend £1500 on a Lagom P64 and not enjoy a flat burr "profile" would be gutwrenching. Hope I did not cut you off from making an offer there mate.

Nah not at all, im still looking for a conical to test the other way

Flat Burr Grinder Recommendations

CoyoteOldMan

hthec It looks like an “Odyssey Argos” grinder

hthec

CoyoteOldMan yep, would match perfectly with the Argos I have on order

ez4prez

hthec CoyoteOldMan

Great minds think alike. I’ve got an Argos on order as well as a Kopi Deva, both in steel with walnut accents. Got some SSP Red HU burrs just to get all fancy with it too. Looking forward to dialing both in once they arrive.

hthec

ez4prez did you order on kickstarter or indiegogo? Seems they’ve been quiet on the updates. I opted to wait for retail for the Kopi Deva… now p64 is having supply issues too and I’m out of luck for grinders

ez4prez

hthec Argos I ordered direct through their website months ago. Kopi I ordered through Indiegogo, but am checking Kickstarter for updates. On Kickstarter they last updated in late June to say that a large portion of the team got Covid and were taking time to recover. Hopefully they’ll be back in the saddle shortly and have another update for us.

hthec

Hope so too, they seem really nice and passionate. Just to be clear i ordered the Argos but held off on the Kopi Deva because of the stated “non-compatibility” with SSP MP burrs. I was thinking to wait to decide between the Kopi Deva, the p64 and the new Acaia Orbit…

ez4prez

hthec why do you like SSP MP over other SSPs? Is it that you want one burr set to go between filter and espresso without having it change it out or have two separate grinders?

MediumRoastSteam

I did check the Kopi Deva, but can’t find anywhere to buy. Does anyone know how much it would cost for one to be bought/shipped to the UK?

hthec

MediumRoastSteam They closed the indiegogo campaign in May and have been working on fulfilling orders since. They hit 48% fulfilment at the last update on June 24 (not sure if this refers to Kickstarter only or total Kickstarter+Indiegogo). They plan to go into production after the early backer units have been fulfilled but no details yet. The team assemble and ship from their workshop in London so I assume the shipping shouldn’t be very much if in the UK…

CafeNoir

Ernie1 Darn it, that looks very very good mate….may be poaching that idea, your dosing cup rest is so tidy

hthec

ez4prez just want to try it as a contrast to my current grinder which is a Eureka mignon. If I end up not liking it I figure I’ll just get a different burrset. Plenty of choices at 64mm

Otaibimn

hthec

For burr choices, The 64mm is godly.

64mm Mazzers for typical Espressos shots. Good in both espresso and milk based drinks. Decent for filter but not ground breaking.

64mm SSP HU for those nice espresso shots with very good clarity with a decent punch in the body section. Might be good for drink based drinks but it is dependent on the coffee used. Not all coffees will have enough body to pierce milk based drinks. It is better than the mazzers even for filter.

64mm SSP MP for those full fledged clarity espressos (The SSP 98mm HU is the same profile even though they say it is HU). 1:3 ratio shot and you got a tea like espresso drink that screams clarity. Forgot about milk based drinks with it.. no body what so ever. Was the go to for filter for awhile.

64mm SSP Lab Sweet, The god of filter grinders. I kid you not… gives better filter shots than the P100 with 98mm SSP HU. In addition, In filter you can basically use it at maximum grind speed. Less fines at max speed. BUT… at max speed it is extremely bad for espresso. Too strong of a body. Lower the RPM to 400-500rpm and it becomes an excellent choice for milk based drinks. Forgot espresso on it at any speed. Too much body. I am talking body that will make a conical blush.

I am currently running the following:

Lagom P100 with 98mm SSP HU for Espressos.

Niche for Flat Whites and Milky Drinks.

Deva with SSP Lab Sweet for Filters and the lighter body coffees if I want to dabble in them for milky drinks.

This combo is glorious and I don’t think I will upgrade anything soon.

Tjyven

Otaibimn Very intressting comparison. If using the SSP HU for espressos do you notice any bigger difference if having low rpm vs high rpm?

Otaibimn

Tjyven There is. Going slower as a general rule with all flat burrs (Except for the lab sweet and conicals) reduces the number of fines thus leading to a different taste (Not much but noticeable and generally better clarity and lesser body) but leads to faster shots in espresso.

So you need to balance how slow you go VS how fine you grind

64mm SSP HU are generally good best at fast RPMs. Didn’t like the shots are lower RPMs since they tend to go turbo shot galore.

MWJB

Otaibimn Going slower as a general rule with all flat burrs (Except for the lab sweet and conicals) reduces the number of fines thus leading to a different taste

Does going slower reduce the proportion of fines, compared to the rest of the distribution? Or does it make the whole grind coarser?

DavecUK

MWJB Does going slower reduce the proportion of fines, compared to the rest of the distribution? Or does it make the whole grind coarser?

That is a very good question, as below a certain speed, the optimum burr packing speed, I believe the grind just gets coarse (from my experiments)

Otaibimn

DavecUK How did you test it dave? need the best way :)

DavecUK

Otaibimn You get a lot of coffee, pull lots of shots vary the speed until the burrs stop packing correctly and the grinds become very coarse…plus the taste/texture changes.. You also need to monitor the load on the burrs for a speed that gives the most consistent load over time, plateau with steep sides rather than peaks with slow rises/falls

You then repeat the tests, for a wide variety of coffees…and select the optimum speed for that particular burrset.

natee

@Ernie1 how are you finding the move to the Mazzer from the X54?

I am very close to making the same move, after having previously owned a Mini as well, this time I’d want a Mini+SJ burrs. Hard to explain why, the X54 is working pretty well (despite sometimes major dose inconsistencies). Don’t think I’ll be going back to a Niche, even though I kind of miss that conical shot here and there.

Ernie1

natee

I love it. I kept the SJ as a bit of a museum piece and also because I rewired it myself so don’t feel comfortable selling it on for safety reasons…

I have to say in the cup I’m not noticing a difference and arguably had some better shots from the x54. It’s not quite as fast but the timer function is great and is accurate if you’re sure to keep a similar level of beans in the hopper.

Great looking grinder, incredibly solid and although not as heavy as a Super Jolly, weighty enough that it feels great quality.

I’ve just bought the shorter hopper from Pantechnicon also which makes it almost the same height as the Linea Mini, the included hopper is way too big for my needs.

Obviously the £500 flat burr market is crowded and plenty of options from Eureka etc but I’m really happy with it and can’t see a need to upgrade unless it’s to an E65 or something but even then the big, fast on-demand flats are just so huge for a home kitchen.

Note that it 100% is not a single doser, retention is way too high and kind of defeats the object.

Also Coffee Hit currently have £50 off the x54.

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