@"DavecUK"#p12737 Thanks Dave.. interesting because it occurrs to me the Vesuvius plus a bluetooth connection and the right programming would be the perfect synthesis of build quality (ECM) innovation (Decent) all wrapped in a traditional E61 style body. Can you convince @"Paolo_Cortese"#90 to update it? I love mine, which I bought second hand largely on the basis of your reviews; its taken me a year but I think I've finally got the hang of it!

@"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 I'd put an order in for one of those!

> @"Grahamsphillips"#p13074 Can you convince [@Paolo_Cortese](https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/u/Paolo_Cortese) to update it? It would mean losing that lovely old, but proven super reliable main board…..

hi, could some one with a vesuvius with the wood/metal handle please email off my sig

I have a wooden handled bottomless pf (generic) that I bought for my Elizabeth then a barista pro IMS basket in it. Will this IMS basket fit the supplied bottomless pf that comes with the Vesuvius?

So, my Vesuvius arrived today. I didn’t want to start another thread and this looked like the most appropriate place to discuss my first day! It left Italy last Friday and arrived in my house today - 6 days, yipee! Mine was definitely used, the plastic was gone from it, there was dirt here and there, spilled water underneath the water tank and for some reason the pipes going onto the tank had a black residue of some sort on parts of them. The panel on top of the machine, where the cup test sits is pretty badly finished with dirty plastic covering it but doesn’t bother me. I didn’t pay for a brand new machine I guess!! Assembling was easy as the provided guide is comprehensive (remember the first thing you do is unscrew the four screws on the top of the side panels, no hammer or anything required) The Teflon furniture gliders I pre purchased are perfect for moving it around on the counter top. A bag of felt pads come with the machine. I put 1L through the group 200ml at a time with at least 15 seconds in between. I then emptied the service boiler twice as per manual. I noticed the shower screen had coffee on it so I soaked that in puly caff and gave a good wash. At this stage I only had time to pull 4 shots as I had to leave! I was close to dialled in by the fourth albeit a bit long but I took it with me in the car- I have to say it was very very nice. So I look forward to playing with it tomorrow. I thought I had a dodgy touch screen as it didn’t seem to respond some times but apparently there are different delay times for different choices on it.. phew..! Looks a stunning machine on the counter and I love the almost totally silent pump. I thought the water reservoir wasn’t the best design but I think I’ll get used to it and won’t have to be refilling it so often when I’m not flushing the system through and just using it to make coffee! It really is a different operation to the Elizabeth but I don’t think it will take long to get used to it. So, I can’t wait to drink coffee from it tomorrow

[upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/cumOEwk.jpeg] I use this type of oil can to fill any of my machines with water.

@"DavecUK"#p13617 I ordered this one by someone’s recommendation on here: https://www.toolstation.com/laser-plastic-measuring-jug/p20428 Seems really ok although the spout is not very flexible

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@"prezes"#p13619 mines very similar and probably on something from nu-man, the image I found seems to have brewers droop.

I used a plastic 2 litre water bottle today!

Vesuvius Pressure Profiling Machine - General Discussion

JahLaza

Hi folks, I’ve noticed the following on my Vesuvius and am just wondering if it’s normal behaviour? When I lower the lever to finish the shot, pressure is vented through the vent as normal. When I remove the portafilter it’s like more pressure is relieved and water ejects through the vent. I can’t say how much but thinking it’s probably more than it should, but just questioning if it’s normal as I would have imagined once the lever is lowered and it vents that any pressure should be relieved?

Edit:will video later

Caribbean

JahLaza It happens to me too and I think it happened on my previous E61 machines as well. I think it’s normal.

I asked Paolo about the water falling through the drainage chamber during the extraction and he told me that it is normal and common to all Vesuvius. Sometimes it can reach a pressure peak of 14-15b for a short moment and the spring is not that hard to resist it.

MediumRoastSteam

JahLaza When I remove the portafilter it’s like more pressure is relieved and water ejects through the vent.

Maybe you never really had enough time with the Diva (read: Lelit Elizabeth 😀) but the exact same happens: When you remove the PF, some water trickles down into the drip tray from the vent port.

Meldrew

I have not noticed this to be honest but will keep an eye on it and update if I have the same. Have been getting a few wet pucks that’s about it.

DavecUK

Moister pucks are a feature of pressure profiling, especially with reduced pressure at the end of a profile. This is because the “9 bar whoosh” isn’t there to pull/siphon the water off the puck.

If it vents then all pressure logically is off the puck, but again the nature of the beast will be a few drops from vent when puck removed. All sounds normal?

Meldrew

DavecUK Thank Dave. Thought it was me. Getting paranoid with trying to get it right and questioning myself.

Cuprajake

Meldrew dont buy the decent tamper, the force tamper is better for the money but having all 3 the normcore 58.4mm is the same as the decent but £150 cheaper

Meldrew

Cuprajake Thanks. Just ordered the Force tamper from BB.

JahLaza

MediumRoastSteam haha she really spoiled me in fairness!! Was thinking how clever/efficient she is today actually, real low maintenance lady Elizabeth

JahLaza

Took a quick video just there to display hopefully this is clear enough? Is this normal kind of water volume at the end? This is after the lever has been lowered and vent has already been open. I remove the portafilter at this point

MediumRoastSteam

I’ll let others with the Vesuvius confirm, but I think that’s normal. My theory (I might be totally wrong here) of why this happens is that while the PF is engaged, a vacuum may form towards the end. This is a similar situation when you keep water inside a straw by holding the straw vertically and covering one of the holes with your finger - water will not come out. As soon as you move your finger away, the water inside comes down. In the scenario of the coffee machine, the PF is doing a similar role to your thumb.

JahLaza

MediumRoastSteam yep, get that, but if the vent has already opened after the pump has stopped the vacuum shouldn’t continue. Yes I understand there’ll be residual build up but I wondered is that volume of water a little excessive each time? Pretty sure it wasn’t that much in the Elizabeth but I know it’s a different machine with different principles!

Edit:It’s fine of course I can live with it but just wondering. The coffee is really really good I have to say though

DavecUK

Normal…PI chamber is disabled, so the group holds more water.

rogher

Hello, I’m new to this group and have been reading this thread because I have a Vesuvius.

I thought I’d post my view regarding attempts to achieve a certain profile:

The pressures you set will be different to what you achieve because of so many variables (beans, grind, …). The pump will do its best to follow the profile you set but will always lag behind a little. Rather than fiddle with acceleration, I chose to anticipate the lag in describing the profile to aim for and then video the consequences (there being too much to pay attention to otherwise and you can review a video many times). Not being a pedant, I was reasonably happy with what I was getting in terms of output pressure, so did not change things much (who knows what the ‘best’ profile is, anyway?). If I knew the effects that different pressure profiles had on my coffee, I might be able to develop a profile that exceeded whatever a lever machine could do (more reliably) but what I get is good enough for me and I have little desire to ‘mend’ it.

DavecUK

rogher I think most people find a few go to profiles they like and just use those….for sure that’s what I do when I’m not testing.

JahLaza

rogher hi, thanks for sharing this. I’ve had mine about a month now. After the initial excitement of it and the flurry of changing settings around I’ve gone back to the factory settings for pump speed and kp and all the others are as they were shipped. I pretty much came to the same conclusion as you on this (so far!) - that I will design my profile around how the machine works (at current settings). I’ve been using factory shipped profile 1 pretty much all the time, this is meant to be close to a lever I think and I’m getting very good results. With more experience I may set up different profiles for different beans/roast levels but for now I’m keeping it simple and enjoying the coffee!

rogher

I changed from using one profile to using two: one for the pre-infusion and the second for the pour. I did this because I found that the pre-infusion time can vary with puck preparation and the time to ‘first drips’ can give me and indication of how everything is going when changing things. You can change profiles ‘on the fly’ but i stop and restart, to get separate times for the two stages.

When I decided to separate pre-infusion, I ‘cleverly’ set the first phase of my profile to 0sec at 2.0bar (intending to go back and amend the pre-infusion time later when I knew what was needed) but that did not work. When the first phase of a profile is set to 0sec, nothing happens - it does not jump to the next phase as it would anywhere else - so I set the first phase of my pour profiles to 2sec to overcome that. I’m so used to working that way now that I haven’t bothered to change.

One day I might start experimenting more with profiles, to see what I can get, but I’m too busy trying to ‘get a life’ right now!

It’s a shame that you cannot name each profile. I keep forgetting what the others were set up for and ‘post-it’ notes don’t look so clever, stuck to the front of the machine…

prezes

I am using the lever emulating profile often but also got great results with darker roast using 6 seconds 2 bar pre-infusion and 6 bar for the rest of the shot.

When opening new coffee I start with 10 seconds at 2 bar and rest of the shot at 9 bar which gives me a good starting point for the grinder which I can then tweak.

I must say that I’m very happy with Vesuvius. The only thing going a bit hit and miss is milk steaming. I am trying the original three hole steam tip and a two hole. Tried lowering the temperature as well and sometimes it comes out absolutely perfect but the others feels like I’m doing it for the first time ever.

I am aware it doesn’t help that I steam very low quantities of milk (40ml for a single shot and around 120 ml for a split double).

JahLaza

prezes I haven’t been doing any steaming as I’ve been away at work most days, it’s still to come!! Same as you, with new beans I stick to a simple profile like 4 or 6 seconds at 2 bar followed by simple 9 bar for the rest to dial in. When dialled in I have generally been sticking with the lever style profile

JahLaza

I’ve found it’s easy (er) to make good espresso with the Vesuvius. Don’t know why or what but have really really been enjoying the espresso more so than ever before. I’ve primarily been an americano drinker until now

DavecUK

JahLaza Temperature in the V is very accurate, don’t know why, it just is. More so than in most machines remaining very flat during the shot.

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