They started shipping them today. Anybody kickstarted it? ![A zero waste coffee grinder - engineered to the precision of a Formula race car. Literally.](https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/033/083/609/57fe7dfb9833c595341b7f015564c4aa_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-4.0.2&crop=faces&w=1552&h=873&fit=crop&v=1618172524&auto=format&frame=1&q=92&s=1075a8fbb5057244b2b2d499568e9260)

I am in lust. Would have been very very tempted had I seen that on Kickstarter at that price. Am sure it will be a lot more retail.

I considered getting this, but it being battery powered put me off to be honest. Does look beautiful though.

They're still available on indiegogo. Looks beautiful I agree. I'm waiting for early reviews as beta testers reported some issues like grind retention in the funnel, excess static, etc. Then if those are fixed to convince myself I need to upgrade on the eureka…

Battery powered?! How was that determined the most appropriate course of action? I appreciate 3kg per charge is probably about 3 months for most people but still… As above, it’ll be interesting to see how it deals with the usual grinder related complaints like static and retention.

Well i wouldn't worry about battery, have you seen an sds drill go through concrete 😂 Its a stunning little grinder, while not a fan of the sweepers, remind me of cable ties .. But it could be a little gem.

> @"Cuprajake"#p14108 But it could be a little gem. Isn't it a belt drive? I also remember the praise being heaped on the Lagom Mini, so it's best to actually see what it really does.

@"Cuprajake"#p14108 Your point about the drill got me thinking… Presumably if it’s not running on constant voltage, as the battery wears down the motor rpm will reduce, as with a cordless drill? EDIT: I just read the blurb and apparently it uses an ‘intelligent battery management system’ to regulate the power to the motor so it’s consistent as the battery drains. I wonder if the cordless approach was to avoid having to consider different voltages worldwide and ship the same product globally.

@"Ernie1"#p14125 It's an induction motor I think, so shouldn't slow down. my concern would be about the batteries…are they replaceable, did they use 18650 cells etc.. as they will have a limited lifespan. They have not stated the grind times by speed ranges either?

@"DavecUK"#p14127 Indeed, interesting they specifically talk about sustainability being ‘top of the list of design priorities’ but then use a disposable power source.

> @"Ernie1"#p14129 Indeed, interesting they specifically talk about sustainability being ‘top of the list of design priorities’ but then use a disposable power source. I guess they wanted it to be portable…the main thing to find out, is what they are not telling you! It certainly looks nice.

Kopi Deva

powderhorn

Give that there are ~100 people out there with Deva’s, I am a bit surprised by the lack of content and buzz on social media. All i can find really is a couple basic vids on youtube (like the above) and a couple pics on IG, and this thread. I thought there would be a lot more buzz, and even some semi-pro reviews. I asked Kopi about it and their response was “it’s out of our control”. Anyone else have better luck or any insight on this?

MWJB

powderhorn What’s a semi pro review?

A review by a semi-pro content social media creator? (Lots but not many qualified to review).

A review by a semi pro-grinder tester? (Not realistic).

A review by a semi-pro cricketer? :-)

Buzz is buzz, it’s fickle and largely ill informed. A lack of it is quite refreshing and not indicative of a problem. Companies who throw stuff out for kicks & clicks make me a little wary.

spivechild

powderhorn

Seems as if you found a niche that needs filled. If you have the grinder, produce some content. Perhaps, enlist your favorite YouTuber to review it. Kopi Deva’s official instagram has “storied” content from the past year or so. But, I would agree with you, there doesn’t seem to be a huge amount of hype of buzz. Doesn’t matter to me as long as I like the grinder.

mackerel

powderhorn

maybe the KD folks are quite glad there isn’t more buzz and hype, so they can focus on getting the Devas out to KS and Indiegogo backers. They said themselves, that upscaling is a hard task. Why create more hype and demand without being ready at this time.

The product itself is fantastic. It’s basically a P64 with better looks, a great solution for zero retention without bellows and all that for half the price.

One thing that seems to bother people here in Germany is that i runs on battery. To me it’s no concern, but some people would not buy it just because of that.

Cuprajake

They probably didn’t give any away free to anyone,

If it’s a good product it will eventually get exposure, it needs to be readily available though for that

powderhorn

MWJB, appreciate your perspective. And concur. I guess by semi-pro i meant some of the more popular/better coffee folks on youtube. I guess the ones that come to mind are Hoffman, Hendricks, and Rockwell, but they seem to make a living at it, so maybe they are pros? I guess I was thinking there would be more online discussion and content from the actual KS folks that have the grinder. Even just basic stuff, like, this is my workflow, here’s some tips and tricks I found to get the best cup coffee, etc.. I look at my Deva everyday just sitting there, waiting for a new start/stop button, and wonder. It was better when i couldn’t see it everyday…. Cheers! I am really happy to find this thread!

MWJB

powderhorn I’ve never heard of Rockford.

Hoffmann & Hedrick have day jobs with coffee roasters and aren’t really best placed to do technical reviews.

Anyone with enough youtube subscribers can monetise their videos, whether they’re talking about coffee making tools, or CIA space stations on a moon of Jupiter.

Put up a video of your grinder experience and update whether it gets resolved in a timely and efficient manner, that will be valuable. (I see you have already waited a week for it!)

In the meantime welcome to the world of the early adopter (…another reason to avoid buzz, review something after it has spent some time in the wild and see what the manufacturer has done to rectify bugs).

spivechild

powderhorn

how much longer do you have to wait for the new part? I’m sure it’s a exercise in patience with a dose of frustration to have it in house but not able to use it!

once you get the part, I’d love to see your work flow with it.

I saw a random YouTube video of the KD and I had a slight concern. The top wood part seemed kinda loose and moved around when he was handling it. Hopefully not a big deal as long at the part fits properly and can be tightened. Also something on instagram where a guy had to re-glue the bottom wood piece because it had come loose.

Otaibimn

powderhorn The best marketing is word of mouth. Normal people just using it and showing it to friends. Especially if you cannot scale up manufacturing.

@DavecUK It’s a typical 3Cell Lipo battery…. Taking measurements to upgrade it to double the capacity if possible. Replacement is basically putting the machine on it’s side, taking out 5 Allen screws, pulling the battery out and just unplugging it.

To be honest… 3S 5000mah battery rated at 20C gives out around 100amps or 30c max peak which translates to 150amps…. Gotta look at the motor to see if it’s doable conversion.

Edit: Battery used

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-5000mah-3s-20c-lipo-pack-xt-90.html

As an update, Took the deva to the office (Since we mostly drink filter brew there) and after a full week of daily doing 3-4 72g batchs on it… it barely lost 25% of it’s battery capacity.

Cuprajake

Kyle Roswell??

MWJB

Cuprajake Sorry, never heard of Kevin Rocksalt either. :-)

(C’mon, let’s keep this going…it’s like being on Countdown…there’s an 11 letter name in there somewhere…)

spivechild

Hoffman does technical reviews frequently… and can be pretty critical as well. He has stated in the past he doesn’t like to review crowdfunded products and waits until they become regularly available if I remember correctly.

CoyoteOldMan

MWJB What about Prometheus? Any fire to be had there?

MWJB

CoyoteOldMan I’m not a fan of any of their content.

CoyoteOldMan

MWJB Well, “Sprometheus” does have 11 letters…

MWJB

CoyoteOldMan Ha ha, you win the teapot! :-)

Cuprajake

Battery Giphy - Im Out Shark Tank GIF by ABC Network

Dusk

Cuprajake

I’m in agreement, I would rather have simplicity than a battery that needs charging and then replacing at some point.

I don’t see the benefit of wireless as you will park the grinder next to your espresso machine which in all likelihood will have a cable that needs to be plugged in. Even if you have something like a Robot then you still need a kettle plugged in. It’s virtually impossible to have a fully wireless home espresso setup so why even bother.