dfk41 Not at all.

I own both a Lagoom P100 and the Deva.

Espressos? Lagoom wins and on pourovers if compared to the OEM burrs.

Everything else? Deva wins on lattes if using OEM and/or Lab Sweets (The body on this thing is crazy) and pourovers if using the lab sweet burrs.

Edit: This is all subjective btw. Don’t take my word on all coffees but I prefer Natural/Washed Colombians most of the time and abhor anything anaerobic.

As the burr size increases…. it’s not that you won’t get a “better shot” more than a “different shot”.

Not counting the Conical Vs Flat Dilemma.

The 98mm burrs from SSP are usually more clarity oriented and fare poorly in the milk based department. The body is more suited for espressos and americanos where you get near like tea body. Is it worth paying more? That depends on the person.

The 64mm have less clarity but more body. It makes them excellent latte drinks since the body still there and any clarity will be washed away by milk based drinks. However, even in espressos they will be decent and they can be used as a single espresso grinder since they are so versatile. Factor in that they cost 1/3rd of the price of a 98mm in most cases.

Newdent Yup and it works :D. Is it worth it over the P64? That depends on your taste. You can still get misalignment on the deva if you don’t follow the procedure correctly.

        Otaibimn In this comparison you are using the lab sweet on the Deva? Not the italmil.

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            Otaibimn

            Had to ask where the replicas were made.

            Surprising to see different make for different platform. i would assume bulk ordering would always be cheaper. or maybe better machining. Tbh i cant even find those manufacturers or maybe i am just bad with google. Just wanted to share this info.

            Also, I am thinking of getting a set of SSP burrs but torn between the lab sweet or HU. Since you have both, which would you suggest for mainly americano/ espresso drinks for “medium-ish” style of beans and light-medium brews ? I have a k-plus and its getting tiring to grind for 2-3 espressos in the morning.

                athan93 Nuova Ricambi is a distributor of spares and parts; I doubt they manufacture the burrs, but that’s no reason for comfort (it may well mean “these are the latest chinesium burrs”, or “these are those we could get hold of, no matter where they come from”) https://nuovaricambi.net/index.php?lang=en

                Keber is “Macine Keber”- usual problem of English vs. Italian spelling of the soft “ch” sound. They seem to be a small Italian company founded in the 1980s, dedicated to producing burrs; the founder died in 2018, but there is very little information available (all I can find is a “non-website” http://www.macinekebersrl.it/ and eulogies for the founder).

                  IMO, The OEM burrs on these are better than the those I got with the DF64.

                  If you get the deva, Get some nice SSP burrs. The alignment on the deva is perfect for SSPs.

                    10 days later

                    Otaibimn have you spent much time comparing the Deva’s OEM burrs to SSP HU to SSP lab sweet? Do you find the OEMs better suited to certain styles than either of the SSPs? Would love to hear your breakdown between all three, if so.

                      having the Kopi Deva since the beginning of may and having the comparison between this and a DF64 with italmil and SSP HU burrs, i think the Deva is right in between those two. More clarity than the italmil but not as much as the HU burrs. Instead more body and texture than the HU burrs.

                      As i drink medium to dark roasts the Deva stock burrs are absolutely fine for me and i do not see any reason to buy SSPs.

                      If you want even more body and drink a lot of milk drinks, the lab sweets could be an option. But i like that the OEM Deva burrs can handle both, just espresso and and milk drinks.

                      But this is just referring to the kickstarter burrs as the Kopi Concepts team wrote: “Since closing our Kickstarter campaign, we’ve tackled what has felt like a mountain of pandemic related issues and global material shortages. Throughout the process, the support of our backers has been overwhelmingly motivating. We wanted to thank you for your support,  being the 1st to back our product. As a surprise, we have upgraded your burr sets to coated burrs with an increased lifespan of up to 750kg (the original stock burrs were capable of 250kg). The upgraded burr set has of course gone through our rigorous testing process, but we wanted to keep this news as an added surprise right to the end just for our Kickstarter backers.”

                      So indiegogo and future buyers should receive different burrs that come with the Deva.

                      In comparison to the DF64, the Deva works out of the box. No tweaks or mods needed. Build quality is far superior. Just like Lagom P64 imo.

                      And it came perfectly alligned, so i did not have to do anything. The Allignment method seems to be quite easy to do too.

                      Hope this helps a bit

                        mackerel What’s the function of the “wipers” that cinch into the bottom burr? Seems like an annoying additional thing to mess with when replacing burrs. Am I wrong?

                            the wipers wipe the coffee grounds down the funnel/exit chute. You don’t need bellows for the Kopi Deva. I have absolutely no retention.

                            As you can see in the video there are slots for the wipers and they are easy to install. As easy as tightening the screw of the burrs. wipers and burrs

                            So, yes, you are wrong :) Nothing annoying regarding the wipers.

                              ez4prez I removed them as a test… oh lord the amount of grinds that clinged to the inner chamber was crazy.

                              Talking more than 5g out of a 20g. Installed them back and went back to 0.1g of retention.

                              I actually installed a third one as a test.

                                10 days later

                                So my deva was going around to a couple of friends… one of them has a dial gauge and wanted to do a test on it… I will leave the video for ya:

                                  Otaibimn For the completely non-engineering inclined folks here, can you explain what we’re seeing and why it’s impressive?

                                      Would it not be a better test to have the dial indicator touching the outside of the lower burr with the carriers attached?

                                        ez4prez It shows the tolerance on the shaft indicating if the burrs will be overall aligned.

                                        Newdent You are correct but the bottom carrier is being held by the shaft.

                                        So Shaft Alignment + That Carriers alignment = overall alignment.

                                        You still need to center the burr and that’s another issue.

                                            What’s the run-out when grinding beans?