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CoyoteOldMan -Mac Turn off the electric and unplug the network cables is all it would take.

That very much depends on what else it’s been able to make/commandeer… Solar power is a lot more difficult to turn off and we have UPSs in abundance. 5G and IoT are also a lot more difficult to secure than an ethernet cable.

There’s always garden shears.

The real question is how many safe, off-site backups of itself it’s made. You’d have to be sure you got them all and that it had no agents to reconnect them.

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        Interesting discussion, I know I’ve joined it late.

        The guardian had a pretty balanced article on this very topic: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/15/techscape-google-chatbot-lamda-sentient-artificial-intelligence?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

        While this AI clearly isn’t sentient, I do think having these discussions before we reach the point is valuable, if just to ensure people are questioning the ethics. People have always rebelled against technology, and mistrusted what it might bring. I think it’s clear that humanity will always chase advancement, so questioning how to do it safely is in my opinion far more valuable than just saying we shouldn’t.

        Personally, I think the chance of a skynet situation is so unlikely that it’s not really worth being concerned about. To me the biggest risk is bias and lack of transparency. We tend to assume that because they’re computers they don’t have bias, but these algorithms are trained with a dataset, and reflect that data set. Bias in the data ends up in bias in the AI. One well documented case was an AI from Facebook that suggested content and labelled black men as primates (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58462511). As we use these algorithms to aid decisions, e.g. who gets a mortgage, or credit, or a job etc, there is a very high chance that these will contain bias, and as you can’t query how they actually make decisions it will be even harder to question the decision making than it is with our current human decision makers and the unconscious bias that we all have.

          hornbyben Personally, I think the chance of a skynet situation is so unlikely that it’s not really worth being concerned about. To me the biggest risk is bias and lack of transparency.

          if it’s a truly sentient AI, the only logical decision would be to plan for our removal!

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            hornbyben Thanks! I somehow missed that article. Guess it shows that I never click on the ‘Tech’ subsection.

            I completely agree. It’s probably even more important to recognise and mitigate the widespread and insidious ways AI amplifies biases and discriminates quietly against some groups more than others. The scariest thing about it is that the average well-meaning person would think they’re being ever more fair and eliminating bias by relying on the ‘impartial’ judgement of a non-human algorithm. The various US congressional hearings on technology issues illustrate just how ignorant people in power can be.

            hornbyben humanity will always chase advancement, so questioning how to do it safely is in my opinion far more valuable than just saying we shouldn’t

            Humans will always chase profit too, or even just the prospect of it

                  hthec illustrate just how ignorant

                  Definitely. I think people think AI is actually intelligent. I much prefer the term machine learning, as I think that’s much more representative of what they actually do.

                      hthec Humans will always chase profit too, or even just the prospect of it

                      This is the essence of the craze behind the AI! Sure, it has a place. We have already gone one step too far.

                        hornbyben prefer the term machine learning

                        Absolutely. We can debate and discuss as long as we want. That’s why I said at the very beginning of this discussion that this iterative self-learning AI is created by humans. It will always be - at least for now. 😊

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                          No clue this was being discussed as I have no use or respect for anything AI or the idiots trying to push it on society. They should remember anything created by mankind can easily be destroyed just the same.