The Eureka Single Dose is now out in the wild. Is anyone thinking of buying one?

We know @"DavecUK"#1 had this for a while and did a review for them. I’m not sure , if he is allowed to post his comments.

@"LMSC"#p933 I had a prototype with smaller burrs, I made some recommendations. What size burrs does the production version have and how much does it cost?

@"DavecUK"#p943 Thx Dave! 65 mm diamond costing £499 https://static.bellabarista.co.uk/pdf/Eureka-Mignon-Single-Dose-Niche-Zero-DF-64.pdf

That document above is crazy marketing nonsense. I vote we remove from here as it's entirely bias and misleading. @"LMSC"#p944 ^^^.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p946 I am not a marketing agent! 😂 That’s what I find on their site. Some one will have to prove one way or other. I am indifferent between keeping that link or removing it. Dave and mods may decide.

When you read that doc (not sure if you have) you will see what I'm talking about. The claims they (Eureka) are making are baseless and without any substance what so ever. (rant over) 🤣

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p952 hi, I saw that document before, yes it is purely marketing, composed by one ‘eureka’ company it looks like! When I was toying with the idea of purchasing the niche zero I stumbled across lots of stuff online and that was one of them, I didn’t pay much attention after first glance tbh. I don’t believe it would be helpful to someone considering the comparisons either if they were looking for meaningful info

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p952 I did, tbh. We always find most of the manufactures’ claims are excessive, don’t we? I am looking forward to a review and first impressions, though.

Mine is being delivered later today. I’ll give my thoughts. I had a Niche in the past but didn’t get on with the flavours in comparison to my Atom 75.

@"cengland117"#p963 - Oh, exciting! Let us know how it compares to the Niche, not only in terms of flavorous but also usability. Looking forward to reading it!

Eureka Single dose, Niche, Solo

Beth71

siliconslave Anyone get their e-mails? Apparently they are releasing a Mignon Zero, sort of halfway house between the oro and Specialità

If I were Niche, I’d be talking to my laywers…. another grinder manufacturer using the name Zero. Mmmmm

DavecUK

Beth71 or to see it another way…Eureka are simply advertising the Niche zero

Doram

Niche Zero came up with this nice dosing cup.

Then there is this cheap Chinese knock off. I had one. It was okay, but nothing to write home about.

Then came Eureka with a cup that looks like they ordered if from the Chines knock off factory and asked them to put their logo on it (I haven’t seen the Eureka cup. Maybe it’s completely different quality from what I had. But in the videos it looks identical to the knock off, including the ugly collar that doesn’t go all the way around the cup).

Just saying.

Cuprajake

Doubt the came up with the cup, i remeber acaia having a cup, too

Doram

Cuprajake Doubt the came up with the cup, i remeber acaia having a cup, too

I didn’t really claim Niche invented the concept of a cup, lol. 😂 The point was that the Eureka cup looks like it was taken off a shelf, not designed for the grinder.

Beverast

DavecUK

With all reviews for all sorts of different grinders, I smile a bit when the grinder gets compared with a Niche, This, Weber Key, Lagom etc… Especially when the companies themselves do it. I have done many jobs and one of them was marketing…a golden rule was not to set up a competitor product as a standard to beat. Modern ideas seem to break many of the rules?

The Eureka seems to me to be a tweak of the existing tech, rather than really innovate to make something new. At each step of that development process to think, Is this good enough, can it be made better, does this improve the product? Finally coming up with something that’s right…not just as good as it can be, but right…..Obviously this has to be within the cost you are trying to achieve. for the consumer. So I do disagree with this guy when he seems to think it’s a bad thing that development was budget constrained, in the real world it needs to be.

The end price must be a strong consideration…..the development cost really needs to be slightly set aside, as something does need to be “right”. As a developer/participant in creating a new product, it can’t just be a job, you have to love what you are doing a little bit. The other thing corporates often lack is any real connection with the end customer for their products e.g. “we sent it to several professional Baristas, and got their input”, as if this means anything vs consumers buying it for home use, or that Professional Baristas have any idea about design and engineering.

P.S. In fairness I have not used this new production Eureka.

Pompeyexile

So, all I want to know as a coffee dullard is this…for the 499 quid I intend to spend on the Niche Zero and the fact I grind for espresso and pour over and Aeropress and Techni Vorm and not wanting a grinder that has a presence that makes it look like it wants to take over the world like my old Brasilia did and is pleasing to the other half’s eye…should it still be my No1 choice?

I’ve got to admit, with reports/videos I’ve seen on the Niches excellent lack of retention without the need for bellows etc, the Conical/flat burr argument aside, which if I’m honest my taste buds just are not refined enough to distinguish between anyway, it still seems an unimposing, neat, extensively adjustable, well made grinder worthy of my hard earned shekels?

DavecUK

Pompeyexile It’s got the Mazzer 63mm Kony burr set, it spins, grinds, just does it’s job and is simple to use. In terms of not needing purging like non single dosing grinders, it pays for itself in terms of coffee saved in around 7 years or less. So vs something like a Zenith 65E or other grinder that can’t single dose, after 5-7 years, the Niche has in reality cost nothing..

It’s also just….nice to use.

gotters

Love my Niche, feels like one of the best designed bits of equipment I own, it’s just so nice to use.

Whilst not needing bellows a cheap option has been found in unexpected places, this fits the top perfectly and does a great job (I just use the palm of my hand to form a cup and tap it thru but my partner has small hands.

Pompeyexile

Niche it is then… As soon as chuffin Ebay send me my money for the Gaggia, Brasilia and Sage grinders I’ll put my order in.

Beverast

Pompeyexile I don’t think you will be disappointed. Since I got my Niche in December last year my manual grinder has been sitting on the shelf. Consistent, easy to use, and no real issues dialling in. Besides my espresso machine it is by far the best espresso upgrade I have done. I don’t feel the need to switch to any other grinder at this stage.

ChristosC

Disclaimer: I am a relative newbie in the home brewing adventure, and I do not have the necessary knowledge and experience to compare different grinders.
However I feel that the Niche, with the ultrastylish design and simplicity of the workflow, has become something like an ‘object of desire’ for most coffee afficionados which is dificult for other manufacturers to match.

CafeNoir

I honestly don’t think you can do better for home use in terms of ease of use/ workflow and results in the cup for the money, or anything near it.

Maintenance is also straight forward and satisfying.
A year and a half later, it’s still giving me joy and honestly it’s here to stay.

SouthMark45

Well…. I’m ordering my Niche at the end of the month it’s an 8 week lead time but as I don’t have my machine yet I’m prepared to wait and the deciding factor was the positive feedback from others on this forum with considerably more knowledge than me. Also I don’t have a grinder right now so have nothing to compare to

Frothbewithyou

Just being devil’s advocate. Do you think confirmation bias, sense of being part of community, Niche being an ‘underdog’ versus <insert big corp> and following on from the community comment, tribalism fuels the Niche or nothing mentality.

I am noticing a theme of Lelit Bianca + Niche is the being the ‘in’ thing.

While I totally get the positives and the lauded praise, also the objectivity and good arguments put forward. I can see the why a person may choose another brand due to their pros and cons list and supply issues.

I remember when lurking Niche was British made, British design etc now’s it’s Chinese made but UK designed but that’s ok for the Niche.

In the end I think the grinder market is way more open than people would like to admit and that consumer choice can vary across a variety of machines and budgets.

It’s weird because in the hand grinder world their is a standard lauded in the C40 I think lots of them are considered on par. Alot of the forums (not so much YouTubers) the impartiality wanes a bit because they also want to justify their purchase too.

TLDR: I like discussion and lots of good grinders 🤪

DavecUK

Frothbewithyou Just being devil’s advocate. Do you think confirmation bias, sense of being part of community, Niche being an ‘underdog’ versus <insert big corp> and following on from the community comment, tribalism fuels the Niche or nothing mentality.

I’d agree if it was just a few thousand Niches…but they have sold a hell of a lot of grinders world wide and don’t seem to get many faults at all. Probably less than most manufacturers on % basis. I do agree the grinder market is really wide open for companies who design what people really want and many manufacturers are realising there is a huge market out there for grinders of £500 and upwards.

LMSC

Frothbewithyou When we own something, it is going to be difficult to put a case against it — be it the grinder, espresso machine, etc.

I don’t have a Niche, so I cannot comment based on my own experience. I have heard a lot, seen a lot of reviews inc Dave, Hoffman and many more. A few may have a confirmation bias, but the general population cannot.

There is something unique about this grinder. IMO, it is the simplicity of the workflow. I think many like it, perhaps for this reason alone. It is created from scratch, and filled the market segment at a great price.

Are there any issues? Am sure, there are. Will I buy it? Not sure it is going to make a significant difference over my JX Pro. May be, there could be a slight improvement. If my hand gives away and can’t be asked, I may then buy Niche. If they release a flat grinder, may be yes.

It has become a benchmark grinder and the grinder is yet to be matched, let alone outpaced. There are far better grinders at twice or four times the price. In a blind testing, will super tasters pick / identify the grinder? I don’t think they will.

As a British, I am proud of the creation. Biggies will have some serious home work to do, if they want to put out a true competitor at £500!

Please feel free to discuss and air views views — far and against — freely. 😊

HVL87

Cuprajake Its not his go to. Thats an eg1 £3000 grinder

He uses the niche as its an affordable bench mark for most

I tried a niche, wasnt a fan

I think the “higher tier” grinders were a more recent purchase for a video. Of course he has a roastery with lots of high end equipment; grinders and otherwise.

I believe it has been his “go to grinder” in the sense that it’s good value, small, a single doser, easy to dial in and easy to travel with.

Did you really give the Niche a chance? I remember your complaint being that it has a lot of chaff in the grind? What didn’t you like about it otherwise.

Frothbewithyou Just being devil’s advocate. Do you think confirmation bias, sense of being part of community, Niche being an ‘underdog’ versus <insert big corp> and following on from the community comment, tribalism fuels the Niche or nothing mentality.

I think there will always be bias, especially when people give opinions on machines they own or have been involved with.

At the same time if I was to sit down again and look at the best value for money home grinders (for espresso) or espresso machines, I believe I would reach the same conclusion. Grinders: Specialita, Niche, maybe Solo….yes you can get a second hand mazzer but they are huge. What’s the next step up..a Lagom P64? The Niche is not perfect but the workflow is excellent. On the espresso machine front how many viable dual boiler machines are there under £2.5k? An ECM/Profitec machine would be great but is it worth the significant premium for the same functionality?

Frothbewithyou Also now production has moved to China, I wonder if the DF Solo, Lagon Mini, Fellow ode, X54 etc can shave some market share off them. Sometimes being the first to a design philosophy is good but it’s hard to hold onto that dominance with iteration so prevalent. 😁

I wouldn’t buy a Niche if I didn’t make espresso. Although I also use it for Aeropress and V60. The Lagom mini is not viable for multiple espressos and stalls on medium/light roasts. The Fellow Ode is filter focussed and the X54 is very expensive for what it is. So we inevitably come back to the same options for espresso unfortunately…there is still a gap in the market especially for a flat burr grinder which has a similar workflow to the Niche…

LMSC

If James Hoffman uses it as his go to grinder, there has got to be a reason, right ? 😊

Cuprajake

Its not his go to. Thats an eg1 £3000 grinder

He uses the niche as its an affordable bench mark for most

I tried a niche, wasnt a fan

I prefer my big flat. Although the Bianca is cracking

Took me a while to settle on both having had 5 or 6 machines and grinders

LMSC

Cuprajake uses the niche as its an affordable bench mark for most

That’s I meant. Commoner go to !

LMSC

Cuprajake I prefer my big flat

You have been tempting me for a while! 😂

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