It’s finally catching up. I gave my pour over kits and gooseneck kettle to my daughter today. When she sees the simplicity of clever brew under 2 mins, she will take that too. I can see her asking for a grinder some time in the near future. As a pour over, I think, she will be ok with the hand grinder. I reckon she will take mine - JX PRO, while she will be happy to get the Wilfa Svart for under £100 for brews. I think this is also good for filter - Clever, AP, V60. Please advise. I need to start looking for an electric grinder, should she take mine. I do not plan to spend more than £600. Niche is a straight-forward choice; but, am conscious of my taste / preference on the lighter side, espresso, filter and milk-based for my wife. I would prefer a flat in Niche, which is a dream. I’m discounting Eureka and Df 64. Kopi Deva is priced out. I’m tempted to get one of the Royals from the classifieds, which is already a single doser. Does the Royal work seemlessly for espressos and filter? What are the retention and exchange of the Royal? Can I stick SSP red speed coated burrs on the Royal? Is it too much of a faff with the Royal? But, it’s too big for a home use. I think adding a Chute and SSP burrs set add the cost considerably. Let me know your thoughts please! I don’t need to buy a grinder immediately though! Thx

@"LMSC"#p25935 - if you want to check the Niche out against your machine and coffee - just say it. We don’t live very far from each other. 👍 Saying that, I’d love to compare what the Niche would be like against a flat burr grinder, like the Solo. I keep looking at videos, and, from what I see, at that price point, it’s hard to beat the workflow of the Niche.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p25936 That’s very kind of you! I appreciate that. We have been having lots of guests since May. I need to find a convenient time for ourselves. Let me figure that out and come back to you with a time line. Niche will be hard to beat for the price, performance and workflows!

I have the major, a royal is bigger than that, while keeping the same 83mm I've never seen the need for the bigger motor of the royal, I'm pretty sure the major could grind gravel I bet all in with the chute and SSP I broke even if not under £600 so it can be done. There's going to be an 83mm solo df68 coming out. I prefer my mazzer to the niche personally, but the niche is a good grinder. I don't really do pour over with my major, I have a wilfa svart for that. SSP only do Hu burrs for mazzer to so espresso based.

@"Cuprajake"#p25938 I have been tempted to get a used mazzer since reading about your MM. Sure, it will last a life time. The Royal is so big and the size is keeping me away. I checked the SSP site. They mention it’s for both espressos and pour overs (brews), unless I looked at the wrong product. http://www.sspgrind.com/sub/product/product.php?idx=1&part_idx=1&PHPSESSID=184330d74d7dcd67f67f0472ac305e11 If that’s what you have got, if you don’t mind, could you try some pour overs on your mazzer and see how they compare please? I wont know if it is easy to quickly change from pour over to espresso. Please don’t try if it isn’t. Thx! I saw the DF 83 discussion elsewhere. It will be interesting if they had addressed the issues DF64 had so that the DF83 users don’t have to carry out many mods. I won’t jump and buy straightaway without first impressions and some reviews. I wonder if Dave did any review, as I think he did one for DF64. The Turingrinders mentions early Sep for pre-orders and end 2022 as delivery date.

Pound for pound, the longer I own/use the Super Jolly, the more I think it’s gotta be one of the best options for sub £500 grinder budgets. I paid £175 for mine. A well used ex-commercial doser model from 2015. Added the Mazzer funnel and short hopper, a cup rest, some walnut parts from Germany and the SSP burrs. I’ve not tallied it all up but probably about £550 total. Far less if I was to skip the cosmetic upgrades. Also the stock Mazzer burrs are incredibly good so a new set of those would be a further saving. Of course the Major is a step up in quality but I like the proportions of the SJ on the counter. However! Whilst it’s technically capable of brew grinding, adjusting it is going to be the biggest bottleneck. The collar is designed to be set in a commercial environment and not accidentally knocked out of place so it’s not always super easy to make fine adjustments. I definitely wouldn’t want to back and forth between brew and espresso.

> @"Ernie1"#p25954 Whilst it’s technically capable of brew grinding, adjusting it is going to be the biggest bottleneck. The collar is designed to be set in a commercial environment and not accidentally knocked out of place so it’s not always super easy to make fine adjustments. I definitely wouldn’t want to back and forth between brew and espresso. Thanks for chipping in, which is very helpful. This was my main concern. Switching between brew and espresso is important. I am not going to buy another grinder for pour overs. I thought it is unlikely to be easy. I brew 1 to 2 cups a day and also pull a 2-3 shots each in the morning and evening. Won’t make sense to go the mazzer route, given the experience. The cost is ok as Jake said likely to be around £600. Thx

Umm it's hard to say, as the mazzers will hold/exchange some grinds. But then so did all the grinders Hoffman tested over £3k. The mazzer is easy to change, it's not a thing that will get knocked imo, My pour over stuff is at work but I'll happily grind some beans haha

> @"Cuprajake"#p25977 mazzers will hold/exchange some grinds. I doubt, anyone can tell the difference. I am sure, you clean it regularly. When you grind after grinding, how much does your major retain? I am sure you throw in a few beans more when you grind the first time after cleaning. > @"Cuprajake"#p25977 pour over stuff is at work but I’ll happily grind some beans haha I find pour over is less stressful than espresso! It’s all @"MWJB"#139’s and JH’s fault! 🤣 Let know what you thought of it when you make filter from MM vs your Wilfa - just to compare from your taste point of view. The main thing is ease of switching back and forth between pour over and espresso. Dusk thinks it isn’t as he has been using it for a long time. Do you know what’s the difference in dimensions — without hopper and the collection plate — between MM and Royal? Thx Thanks Jake. I really appreciate the gesture.

Quick vids https://youtu.be/aLnCN8DqObM And https://youtu.be/TwLPTIHLaKs

> @"LMSC"#p25952 interesting if they had addressed the issues DF64 had so that the DF83 users don’t have to carry out many mods. I think these mods are already sorted on the new Solo units (the ones in Bella Barista have a grind indicator and I believe they've also amended the clump crusher membrane too) - you might want to switch out the burrs to Mazzers still though.

Electric grinder

LMSC

MediumRoastSteam Giphy - Wiggle Nose GIF by SWR Kindernetz 🤣

LMSC

https://www.espressooutlet.net/amp/turin-df83-single-dose-grinder/

CoyoteOldMan

LMSC Looks very neat and Lagom-y.

MediumRoastSteam

550W motor. At the energy prices we are seeing, we might need to start considering the cost of running the grinder for 45 seconds! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

CoyoteOldMan

MediumRoastSteam Just you wait when they will start charging us for apparent power rather than real power, and all these motors have no power factor correction…

LMSC

The solo is 250W. Not sure how long does it take to grind 18g. The Mazzer Major is 650W. I have seen Jake’s take about 10-12s to grind including puffing the grinds out.

The 550W should grind quickly. Let’s see.

DavecUK

LMSC Just remember that speed of grind is not really what you want from a flat burr, especially if you want the best quality!

You don’t want it too slow, the burrs must fully pack…but you don’t want it too fast either….it’s got to be a bit like baby bears porridge…“just right”

dutchy101

LMSC The solo is 250W. Not sure how long does it take to grind 18g.

About 18-20 seconds typically I’d say. Will time the next one

LMSC

DavecUK Variable RPM!

DavecUK

LMSC Variable RPM!

Pfff….

dutchy101

dutchy101 LMSC The solo is 250W. Not sure how long does it take to grind 18g.

About 18-20 seconds typically I’d say. Will time the next one

Was 19 seconds this morning

LMSC

DF 83 pre-orders priced at $849 + shipping in the US. Not sure if taxes are included.

https://www.espressooutlet.net/amp/turin-df83-single-dose-grinder/

CoyoteOldMan

LMSC Not sure if taxes are included.

Almost definitely not - 1) they vary from place to place, from 0% in Oregon to 7.25% in California. 2) it is illegal for a company not based in a State to levy State sales taxes.

In any case, we have to count on another 23-25% thanks to duty and VAT

BTW - price has gone down?

Cuprajake

Used major and SSP burrs it is seen as the dollar to pound is $1.13 to a quid

LMSC

CoyoteOldMan $699 now

CoyoteOldMan

LMSC 🤪

If we wait until tomorrow, they’ll pay us to take it away!

tompoland

LMSC Unbelievably hot price for an 83mm flat burr single doser.

LMSC

CoyoteOldMan Giphy - Kermit The Frog Reaction GIF by Muppet Wiki

LMSC

tompoland We don’t know what the stock burr set is.

It is a good price. But adding the SSP will take it to about $1050 + US taxes + shipping + UK VAT + UK customs.

CoyoteOldMan

LMSC + US taxes

Thankfully those should not be charged, as they will definitely ship out-of-state!

DavecUK

LMSC We don’t know what the stock burr set is.

It would probably be Italmill.

LMSC

DavecUK Italmill

I would like to think so as the base price is competitive and the DF64’s stock burrs set is the same.

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