sage coffee machine for start up coffee shop

IzzyAg - ok, that makes sense now. Either that one or the Barista Express - in fact, there’s a sandwich shop near me who has one and it’s been there for a while. Saying that, I have no idea of usage as I never had a coffee from them. However, as stated before by someone else, those machines are designed to be used in a domestic environment (low usage, 3-6 cups a day) rather than your anticipated volume of 50-100 per day.

Given your budget, I don’t think the Oracle fits the bill? They sell around £1.4k new (or more) which is 40% over budget. The Barista Express retails around £400-500.

Anyway, I don’t think I’ve got anything else to add here. The “sensitive little donkey” wishes you good luck with your business venture. 😉

Picking from where Ernie1 had left, I have seen one of the roasters also happen to run a coffee shop in Finsbury Park, London having something like this on their counter.

https://bellabarista.co.uk/collections/coffee-brewers-drip-filters-french-press/products/moccamaster-technivorm-kbg741-select-orange-with-free-250g-bag-of-coffee

They only brew light / medium on the brewer.

I have to caution that their mainstay is a commercial grade espresso machine; one of the mythos range is their grinder.

GL with your venture!

LMSC

I have that exact machine, love it. Basically a lazy persons V60 and the best part is almost all the parts are replaceable… I broke the carafe and scaled up the shower screen, replaced both for under £20.

As you say though, needs to be paired with a good grinder.

I’d say your best bet is a commercial filter coffee machine and commercial packs of pre ground to go with it. There is a selection of tastes available and some would seem ok to typical espresso users if they drink coffee with milk.

There are 2 basic types. One has a hot platform to keep a flask of coffee hot. Probably not ideal as a fresh flask can’t be prepared without removing it. Another type is designed to work into pumped thermoflasks. Probably takes ~20min or so to fill one. This sort of thing

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F1436%2F9884%2Fproducts%2FBravilorTHPromo1_1024x1024_d104c05c-f594-4e8c-b7c2-e1a132106d96_1024x1024.jpg%3Fv%3D1517329798&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pennineteaandcoffee.co.uk%2Fproducts%2Fth-flask-filter-coffee-brew-from-bravilor-bonamat-with-2-2ltr-airpot&tbnid=vnh8NYfwqpfuKM&vet=12ahUKEwj6hKT_6rj8AhUESaQEHTe5C_sQMygWegUIARDOBA..i&docid=sYekCeRh89QDOM&w=718&h=1000&q=Filter%20Coffee%20Maker&client=firefox-b-e&ved=2ahUKEwj6hKT_6rj8AhUESaQEHTe5C_sQMygWegUIARDOBA

Packs of grinds are available to suite the size of machine, Suppliers of these packs probably also supply machines. Not suggesting the one in the link just what I think would suite you as the ability to use an espresso machine doesn’t come quickly and a commercial machine plus a suitable doserless grinder is outside your budget,

It depends where you are located and which coffee roasters you have available around you, lots of larger wholesale roasters can provide coffee, training and lease you machines at a very competitive price. That could be a good option if you want to serve espresso drinks for 50-100 customers and don’t have the budget to cover the costs upfront, although that depends on your specific needs. Otherwise as people have suggested filter batch brewers are also very good if you want to serve 50-100 customers.

Some of the cheaper commercial batch brewers don’t really produce very good coffee, generally the spray heads are of poor quality, so I would be wary. The moccamaster kbg 741 isn’t a bad option if you buy a second carafe so you can brew another batch when one runs low. Another option would be the Marco: BRU F60A which has a larger capacity and is a plumbed in option (the manual option is fine but requires more work).

You could either get pre ground coffee, or coffee from a local supplier and grind it yourself in something as cheap as a wilfa svart and get better results.

The Moccamasters are also made in the Netherlands so not far away!

IzzyAg A Wilfa is a make of grinder, meaning you could buy whole beans and grind them yourself. This grinder is good for the home but not suitable in a commercial environment in my view. To make a litre of coffee you will be grinding at least 60 grams every time. I still say search your local area for tea and coffee suppliers and chat to them. Tell them you want a Batch brewer. Go in and see what they have and drink their coffee. You might find a supplier whose coffee you enjoy and would like to sell. They may well lease or give you a batch brewer in exchange for buying their coffee. This is the easiest solution to your problems. The coffee can be tasty and is simple to make. The espresso machine route really is a rabbit hole!

The Marco is the type of machine I mentioned often sold with the flasks as shown here

https://www.nisbets.co.uk/marco-bru-auto-fill-filter-coffee-brewer-f60a/de594?vatToggle=incvat&plaid=1&cm_mmc=PLA-_-18122692213-_-1-_-1&cm_mmca1=go_18122692213____c_&gclid=CjwKCAiA8OmdBhAgEiwAShr403M8xPMguOz3xlWVdKyUcP5gz_hpalyW68pKYnl8-vcta6hQ0Jq5DxoC3HIQAvD_BwE

As I drink from one from time to time in a local cafe I can tell you taste comes down to which type of pack of preground is used. Or I suppose you could grind your own beans

IzzyAg ACS sell the Minima direct from factory, you’re in europe so it’s extra easy.

These guys make and sell it. http://www.elcor.it/minima-en/

IzzyAg The wilfa svart is a coffee grinder, generally used for home grinding but it can also handle low volume batch brewing at least until something better can be purchased. I have seen them used commercially before with a moccamaster and they can work as a cheap option to get started although I would probably recommend something more robust if your budget can accommodate.

https://machina-coffee.com/collections/wilfa-svart-grinders/products/wilfa-cgws-130b-svart-burr-coffee-grinder

I think I can kind of work out exactly what you’re looking for. You can get a Mazzer Major with titanium burrs from Ebay for around £299. Should have space for it in a coffee shop. That’s the grinder sorted. (You may want to add a 2nd smaller grinder for if people want decaf etc)

I definitely wouldn’t go for pre ground coffee. That’s where you lose most of your quality within 24 hours. Learning to grind and dial in isn’t a big issue if you consistently use the same blends.

As for a machine, the sage products definitely do a ‘nice enough’ cup of coffee in my opinion, but the problem would likely be volume. Stuff like the bambino plus is designed for a few shots a day, not a few hundred. Perhaps As for a machine, the sage products definitely do a ‘nice enough’ cup of coffee in my opinion, but the problem would likely be volume. Stuff like the bambino plus is designed for a few shots a day, not a few hundred. Moccamaster might be a good shout, or perhaps somebody can suggest a good 2nd hand one.

The alternative would be a good commercial grade bean to cup machine. I’m sure some exist but unsure on price.