If you haven't seen it already, @"lancehedrick"#742 has published a nice review of the upcoming Vostok 1 group on Youtube. There is no real surprise for those of us who have followed @"DavecUK"#1 's postings (and the planned improvements for this machine), but its still is a well made video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4UtmXO9zVU I'm sure this will raise interest in ACS… So well done !

some bits were a bit off in terms of correct info, but they do look a great machine. id love one but its too big. most the points picked up on davec already said, now away to spam his comments am i - haha

It's funny (and sad at the same time) to read some of the vitriolic comments on this video which remind me of what happened when the Evo Leva came to the market (probably with the same cast of characters as well!)

@"Eiffel"#p35306 Luckily though, those will not be buying it.....instead, they will continue to push the virtues of the machine they prefer. The Vostok is too complicated for me now! But, I can really see it appealing to a very wide market. Anyone who cannot handle the size, then hopefully many of the features will transfer to the Evo. Hope folks do not quickly start to copy the ideas, or that Paolo patents them correctly

Going by the video, the Vostok 1G is well priced and feature laden. The good news for us, Evo Leva owners, is that we've been able to get exactly the same results for 18 months, albeit without the automation capabilities of the newer machine… In an commercial setting, some of the added features are easier to justify (Automatic termination of shots, timers, some comfort features, etc), but for hobbyist use the upgrade, while tempting, is harder to justify… It's nice to have the choice though as the Evo Leva and Vostok 1G are both great variants of the same base design.

Looking at some of the comments on Lance's video, it's very clear some people haven't got a clue what they are talking about, and have not even bothered to watch the video! i.e.: "How is the group head connected to the brew boiler? I thought it was a dipper design." Err... One of the first things Lance explains is that the machine has 3 heat controllers: for the 2x boilers and for the group.

Question (I have asked this before, and it's in here somewhere, although a while ago). But what's the difference between the Evo and the Vostok? i.e.: Why would I buy one over the other?

well the new vostok comes in a one group, pretty sure it was just a multi group before, the new vostok has all the pressure sensor sides for shot stopping and group evacuation, it has the same boilers and and did have the same group but obs now the vostok has the modded group to allow it to vent, i presume this is just the evo group modded but could be wrong, its also bigger, and imo prettier

@"Cuprajake"#p35327 - Thanks Jake. So, in summary, a V Evo on steroids! 🙂

The Vostok 1G looks like an amazing machine. It goes a bit to far me and imo more complexity is even more stuff to potentially have issues arise with. At least, I am telling myself that so I try to not email ACS and ask to be put on the list for one (ha!) It would be nice though if the Leva had the new pump and the external pre-infusion setting. Has anyone looked at adding the barista lights to the Leva since the controller seems already set up for it?

Lance Hedrick - review of the VOSTOCK

Cuprajake

I really don’t think it matters

Do people not buy Volkswagen because of the links to Hitler?

I know two Apollo’s

Creed and 13

John_Yossarian

Cuprajake I do not think it would stop a real coffee enthusiast. But getting in the USA might be a problem for some.
Both names you mention are fictional 😀

-Mac

Don’t forget the Battlestar Galactica one. Or does that negatively remind of Starbucks?

lancehedrick

LMSC thanks for watching! Yes- as said in the video, it was less a review and more of a “first look.” I had just a few days with it because they needed it back for an expo in Naples. HOpefully i’ll get my hands on it longer next time.

DavecUK

lancehedrick I had just a few days with it because they needed it back for an expo in Naples. HOpefully i’ll get my hands on it longer next time.

I’ve been checking it over today and setting it up for the Rimini Exhibition, just in case you broke it! 😉

lancehedrick

DavecUK I love the lights. glad he listened!

Cuprajake

lancehedrick

the spring, was it hitting 10bar plus? i know on the vid you talked about 9 bars,

DavecUK

lancehedrick talked about the lights with him last night and moaning about the way to fix them and you can’t just stick the strips, I said to him that there are professional fixing clips you could use. The problem is always is too much work too many things and these little things can take a backseat. Even though I consider them important 😁

lancehedrick

Cuprajake depends which gauge we are talking about. sometimes the manual one on the group read close to 10, but mostly right around 9. The one on the machine read a bit lower. about half a bar lower.

lancehedrick

DavecUK haha! everything is beautiful on it. I did lose one screw. the back two screws accessible only from the top are near impossible to get. I dropped one when taking it off the check out the pump (there was an issue upon arrival and had to facetime Paolo). Couldn’t for the life of me find it.

DavecUK

lancehedrick I know found the back panel loose we put a new screw in it.

The particular gear pump used in the prototype is a pig to prime. I had the same issue this morning, but we went underneath to the transformer and reversed the connections there without having to open the case.

The production machine will have a rotary pump which won’t have any problems priming like that particular gear pump does.

P.S. I think the screws gone forever. 🤣

tompoland

lancehedrick I did lose one screw

That means you have to buy it now. Company policy sorry.

chlorox

lancehedrick

Hello Lance like your videos espdcially with the better production values and your new one is no exception!

CoyoteOldMan

DavecUK I think the screws gone forever.

“Strange - this coffee has a metallic taste…”

chlorox

MediumRoastSteam

I really hope the new wave lever machines will force the traditional lever makers to up their game and their products or lower the price. Why must a profitec 800 or an izzo alex cost as much as they do with their simple make up ? Why not come out with more upgraded levers and then offer the traditional levers at a lower price point? Thta would be better for the consumers and widen the market further.

chlorox

MediumRoastSteam

One alternative can be to name it after Laika, the first dog in space. It’s less directly associated to Russia while still honouring the achievements of the first cosmonauts to orbit the earth which is probably the idea behind choosing vostok as the name (Gagarin is too Russian obviously)

chlorox

John_Yossarian

Well that boys father could be a fan of Greek mythology I suppose…

John_Yossarian

chlorox The father is from Cyprus …. surprise, sur😀prise

chlorox

CoyoteOldMan

Would the evo be substantially cheaper than 3300 euros now that the vostok is coming out? Otherwise its difficult to stop cannabilising of evo sales by the vostok and there is a need for product differentiatiion

CoyoteOldMan

chlorox I don’t know, but I don’t think so. By and large, they have the same components, particularly if ACS updates the Evo with the new features and components (pump and additional logic/controls for timed and pressure shots).

I may be completely wrong, but I don’t think they ‘cannibalise’ each other in the traditional sense; it’s a bit like saying that the 5-door version of a car cannibalises the 4- or 3-door version…

chlorox

Cuprajake

The trad levers do fluctuate with every use or flush in terms of temperature so they are more inexact. That’s fine but charging what they charge for 70 year old technology is bad for us consumers. It’s important for acs and nurri and more cpmpanies following theiir example to really make a success of the new line levers in order to make the general coffee market aware of the revolution that is going on and of the new abilities of these machines and that u don’t have to spend Leva X money to achieve it. That way the expectation and demand of consumers will hopefully require the manufacturers to add these capabilities and they become the new industry standard for premium levers. Its about time levers won back some of the market share the pumps won beginning in 1961…

chlorox

Cuprajake

Yes I think he made a factual error - is it the londonium r24 that first came out with controllable preinfusion pump pressure level for a home machine? At the least the vesuvius evo and the nurri were ahead of the vostok there.

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