Has anyone used one of these? If so, does it significantly reduce static as claimed? Trying to get an unbiased take rather than from YouTube etc. I’m still looking for a small brew grinder to replace the C40. I had an Ode v1 for about a week and loved the size/design and actually really enjoyed the coffee I had using it. However, it was **messy**. Like very very messy. Grounds everywhere. So much so I returned it. With v2, they’ve upgraded the burrs and apparently added an in-chute ‘ioniser’ to neutralise static without having to faff around with RDT etc. This is a big claim, and the cynic in me is thinking snake oil. But if it does reduce static to a level I’d expect from a flat burr grinding for brew, then I’d be very tempted to buy one as it ticks the other boxes for me.

Is the C40 not performing then - or is handgrinding becoming a pain ?

@"MattH"#p36406 It’s definitely a performer. Hand grinding at filter settings is pretty easy going. It was only ever really intended to serve as an interim solution while I find an electric brew grinder that fits the bill (very compact, flat burr, nice design). I also prefer flat burr grinders in the cup.

I have one on pre-order from coffee hit when it first released, won't arrive until valentine's day now so it has been a few months. I don't think there will be many in the UK yet

I know you said you can't be bothered with RDT but honestly it made such a difference with the v1, virtually no mess and so much cleaner than say DF64 with RDT and chute mods. I get the sense its pretty much unavoidable on many single dosing flats unfortunately.

@"FadedFrontiers"#p36421 You’re right about static on flats. My Dad has an x54 and it’s the same at brew settings, coffee all over the place. Is there a risk of rusting the burrs? I’ve never used RDT as a method on any grinder so not sure. It is tempting to try the v1 again as it’s almost £100 cheaper and I have a new set of 64mm burrs that I bought for the SJ and never used.

@"InfamousTuba"#p36420 Yeah seems that way! I was going to wait for Amazon to get some for the ease of return if it still has a static problem.

@"Ernie1"#p36423 Fellow and others recommend it, some manufacturers even provide a little bottle like this: https://www.baldwins.co.uk/alpha-amber-glass-bottles-with-spray-atomiser-10ml?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4M-F3sDj_AIVxevtCh2jDg1fEAQYAiABEgKRqvD_BwE A spray or two depending on how many beans you are grinding and a little shake should be enough to make a huge difference with static but not enough to add unsafe levels of moisture. The only one time I've forgotten to RDT made a big mess, but before that I really had no idea what people meant when they said the Ode was a nightmare for static.

Fellow Ode Gen 2

Ernie1

Nice comparison here. Looks like gen 2 is an enormous improvement! I’m going to get one on order.

InfamousTuba

The preorder was originally £314, so I managed to save a bit of money as well. Probably end up putting SSP MP burrs in it eventually

Ernie1

Has anyone’s arrived yet?

I didn’t preorder as I don’t love it when people take the money before an item is even in stock but excited to place an order as soon as they start arriving.

InfamousTuba

My ode gen 2 has just shipped today, should arrive in a couple of days. But I am away until Saturday so so no real chance to play with it until Sunday. Seems like more stores have them available so they should start appearing more

Ernie1

InfamousTuba

Was this Coffee Hit? I have an order in with them too but no dispatch note yet. Perhaps they’re working their way down the pre-orders.

InfamousTuba

It was coffee hit, I pre-ordered in November so it might take a bit of time to get through them all. Arrived today so I can start to play around with it. Currently seasoning with some older coffee and i will turn that into cold brew

Ernie1

Just had an email that mine is being shipped!

Look forward to hearing your initial thoughts!

InfamousTuba

So day one, ground through 2 kilos of some test roast at various settings mainly the coarse end so I can make cold brew. And you can see how much chaff and static has accumulated, I haven’t cleaned it at all and it looks very good. Fast enough grind time, around 30 seconds for 100g at the finest setting with a medium light roast. I have only made one pourover so far so I can’t really comment on how good it is yet, but I will put it side by side against my 1zpresso zp6 and see how that works out.

Ernie1

InfamousTuba

Nice! So that chaff is from an entire 2 kilos??

That’s an incredible improvement. You’d get twice that from 16g on the first gen!

Ernie1

It arrived this morning. Here it is dwarfed by the Super Jolly.

First impressions are very good. It’s far better built than I remember. Great weight to it and nice finish.

It’s fast. Didn’t time it but 16g can’t be more than 4 seconds at pour-over setting.

Static. I mean there’s no comparison. Grinds go straight into the cup, pretty much zero chaff. In fact it’s probably the cleanest electric brew grinder I’ve used.

Flavour is as good as expected but I’ve had a x54 so flavour is similar to that.

In the absence of any old beans I’m just using it straight away without seasoning, but I’m really impressed.

MattH

Is the ode purely for filter/pour over then ?

Ernie1

MattH

Coarser methods yes. It’ll do Moka pot, cold brew, Aeropress etc.

I think people have tried to make espresso with it and the burr set is probably capable, but it’s a stepped adjustment and Fellow have specifically said it’s not designed for espresso.

InfamousTuba

You can make the ode stepless and it is easy to reverse if you want to. The burrs can just about manage some fast flowing shots like turbo shots and with the SSP MP burrs you can go finer still, but it isn’t recommended.

Ernie1

Hoff’s review is in. Glad I got one before the inevitable post Hoffman rush!

I have to say, I’m over the moon with it and can’t fault it at all.

CoffeePhilE

Haven’t got one, haven’t ordered one. Yet.

Also …. in no great rush.

I drink espresso to pourover (etc) at probably 10:1 ratio, maybe more, so adjusting the Niche isn’t that much of a PITA to do for those relatively infrequent times.

However, it looks interesting (from the Hoff’s video) so, after the initial rush has subsiderd, I might just indulge, if only to join the double-grinder club. Or triple, if you count the one built in to the Oracle (which I don’t, being rather underwhelmed). But I’m inclined towards Hoff’s suspicions about price so, well, I’m gonna wait ’em out for a while …. and my indulge fund is about to get a clobbering on non-coffee stuff anyway so I need a bit f rebuild time.

It also gives me a chance to see what the prevailing view here is once my beta test group …. er, I mean friends, here, have a good go with theirs.

I’ll get my hat.

Ernie1

Yeah at £379 it’s definitely not an impulse buy. I make a sizeable Moccamaster pot for us each morning and the occasional single cup V60 so it’s about balanced with the two/three espressos each day.

I’d have said £299 would’ve been slightly more realistic although it’s wonderfully designed and very solid so I definitely don’t think it’s wildly overpriced.

InfamousTuba

I got mine for £315 and I’m very happy I took the pre order gamble, having multiple grinders has definitely increased how many pourovers I drink at home

Ernie1

Almost a month now and I’m absolutely loving the Ode. We’re drinking more pourover than we have for years and it’s got me back into enjoying trying different beans as a V60. I wasn’t particularly bothered about retention but it seems pretty close to zero.

It’s also just such a joy to use, and I love how it looks.

I’d really like Fellow to make an identically formed espresso grinder. They’d sit nicely side by side!

GaryGorilla

Ernie1 what recipe/method do you use with the v60 and starting setting for the ode 2?

Ernie1

PSA here to keep the exit chute clean. I was getting static build up and retention went from a very consistent 0-0.1g to about .5g.

Turns out Fellow actually recommend clearing it every 60 or so uses to avoid hampering the anti-static functionality.

I gave it a quick brush and it’s back working brilliantly.

Ernie1

Ode 2 owners, are you seeing an increase in static?

Sadly mine is almost at v1 levels after performing brilliantly at first.

As recommended by Fellow, cleaning the chute behind the de-ionising pins (or whatever they’re called) helps, but I’m having to do it every day which kind of defeats the purpose.

I think the recommended cleaning cycle is 30 grinds, whereas I’m doing it every one!