May be launching on Kickstarter Mid March and at USD $1.5k. A hybrid with a little bit of Decent and a little bit of Strietman. https://youtu.be/N-dxaLZTfGc At that price I'd probably back it. With four temperature sensors, built in scale, stop by weight, and more, it looks very well thought out. Seems to be a fully functioning working prototype which is encouraging. I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. Tom like.

That looks good! I was talking to a friend yesterday about something similar - I haven't seen this before, mind - Where for a compact version of the Nurri or the V Evo, you could have one boiler holding water under pressure for steam purposes. Then a heat exchanger would fill the group, but would also mix cold water with it. As the group is heated and with a sensor in it, the user could see the temperature of the water inside the piston in real time. Once it reaches the set temperature and it's stable, the user can simply release the lever and pull the shot -this would then make the brew boiler redundant. I'm no engineer, so I don't even know if that's even a possibility. But it would be a really neat machine. I'd be all over it.

@"tompoland"#p36554 Forgive me mate but where is the Strietman bit??

@"Amberale"#p36560 The group (that you fill in manually with a kettle) resembles the Strietman, in my opinion.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p36561 Have you got an approximate time in the video? I couldn't be stuffed watching them carry on for 30 minutes with a phone/tablet.

> @"tompoland"#p36554 I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. As an accountant, I applaud their effort to make their software compatible with all the mainstream tablets and thereby avoid the not insignificant cost of providing a dedicated tablet and so keeping the overall price lower. I like it a lot; but not having a boiler, it is not able to do steam, which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks?

> @"jrling"#p36578 which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks? Good point. Definitely a downer for milk coffee drinkers. Like the Strietman or Flair. Espresso only. Some buy separate milk heater/frothers but it's not ideal. PS different makes/models of tablets can be used with the Decent too.

@"tompoland"#p36580 Can you imagine a world where you would sell your CT2 to own this?

@"Amberale"#p36583 not with the Decent and a Nurri sitting on my bench either side of the Streitman. Not trying to be a smart xxrse, it's just that the Meticulous wouldn't really bring anything extra to the bench. It really does look terrific and if I didn't have the Decent it would be seriously tempting. All of which is to say that I've thought about it more since my original post and I won't be backing it. Having had a lot of machines and grinders come and go, I'm going to settle down for a while, I hope. (Other than a couple on pre-order being the Argos and x-Bloom 😀 )

Meticulous

PhilipUrquiza

I would like to put down some thoughts too with a whole different perspective from what most of the users here experience. That thing about the chessboard also makes me super suspicious and makes me uncertain to back it. However, on the other hand I live in Brazil (I guess there are other countries that must behave similarly) and we have outrageously high import duties + VAT and State taxes that duplicates the price of the product (it gets somewhere between 95 to 105% of the product price plus shipping cost), all that accompanied by a weak currency and simply no options of good espresso machines here for the home user nor grinders, much less after sale local support. So backing it as a kickstart really shifts the risk-reward equation to me, since 200 USD actually is a 400 USD discount and I also get to pay in two installments. That being said of course it makes us chill about that whole chess thing and no real reviews of the machine. I hope that Lance does that before the campaign ends.

DavecUK

PhilipUrquiza real reviews of the machine. I hope that Lance does that before the campaign ends.

Hmm…I sense we are getting close to an oxymoron within in this statement 😁

PhilipUrquiza

Hahaha you caught me

Let me state it differently

After the initial fiasco, I hope he can get acquainted enough to tell us if there is any positives about it 😅😅😅

PhilipUrquiza

@DavecUK Would you be open to review it if he could manage to set you up with one of the prototypes?

DavecUK

PhilipUrquiza Would you be open to review it if he could manage to set you up with one of the prototypes?

Yes of course….I’d enjoy the opportunity to give him some feedback. I met him back at the lever evening last year at the WOC Milan (I think it was) and he seems dedicated to getting it right.

PhilipUrquiza

DavecUK I tried to DM you, but couldn’t find how on this forum. Which contact of yours can I pass to him (meticulous)? In order to start the conversation between you two

DavecUK

PhilipUrquiza I tried to DM you, but couldn’t find how on this forum. Which contact of yours can I pass to him (meticulous)? In order to start the conversation between you two

This for the Argos lever isn’t it, just so people don’t think I’m getting involved with Meticulous…as Meticulous is something I am not sure I would want to get involved in. Ross can contact me on davec.e2vto@simplelogin.co

MediumRoastSteam

PhilipUrquiza DavecUK I tried to DM you, but couldn’t find how on this forum. Which contact of yours can I pass to him (meticulous)? In order to start the conversation between you two

DavecUK This for the Argos lever isn’t it, just so people don’t think I’m getting involved with Meticulous

It’s Meticulous, as per post.

tompoland

[unknown] may as well pop on into my kitchen while you are at it 😁

Igm45

Out of interest, why would you not want to get involved with meticulous?

giampiero

Yeah, that’s why i put a “like” once Dave wrote he could be open for a review…while few posts above he warned about the “connection” between the chess board and meticulous😁

DavecUK

giampiero Yeah, that’s why i put a “like” once Dave wrote he could be open for a review…while few posts above he warned about the “connection” between the chess board and meticulous😁

I just don’t know, I have some concerns, but perhaps I wouldn’t after seeing the product…but the Meticulous guy may not wanting me opening it up and poking around inside, because I would surely want to do that. Plus I wouldn’t be there to push it hard (or softly), I’m not, and don’t want to be an influencer, but to take a view on the tech and software.

As for delivery, and production, that’s a completely different ballpark and I know how difficult that is going to be, especially when you have well over 1000 units to supply!

So publicly endorse it would not be something I would do, but to add value to the development…perhaps.

P.S. And I don’t sign NDAs

Cuprajake

Because the meticulous guy has had over a million of people’s money and provided nothing 🤣🤷 may be. Dunno 🤣🤣🤣

Igm45

Perhaps… that said it’s not too late for refunds if he found the product to be unsatisfactory.

Cuprajake

MediumRoastSteam

Interesting video. Notice how cold the temperature is, all sub 89C. I’d like to see an extraction with the temperature set to a more “normal” temperature, like 93C and then watch a video.

Interesting machine though.

Cuprajake

ive never even heard of her, it just popped up on my feed,

the shots visually didn’t look amazing, but that’s nothing to go off

dfk41

I am probably in the minority as usual, but I thought it was a terrible video. As already mentioned, why pull the shot at 89? In the last video the temp also decreased. It may have just been for demonstration purposes but towards the end of the shots you could see through the espresso, which I suppose we would call blonding. The temperature thing worries me though. Does the Youtuber know what she is doing? Is she careless and just did not realise and edit it out? AM I a fool and these days everyone pulls shots at 89?

I am short tempered but the prospect of being able to manipulate 4 aspects of the shot just leaves me cold. I know on the Evo I can manipulate group and brew boiler temp, but unless I am tweeking a shot I do not…and did I mention the fact you have to put in water every shot? Am sure it will appeal to many, and if it does, then I hope it brings you many hours of fun!

giampiero

dfk41 I did watch the video, the first shot at 86C the others at 89C, me too i found it weird….does the 5th wave coffee movement already start?🤭

I then found out that the author of the video she replied in the video comments section that “she did not changed the temp setting, and this setting was made due to at altitude the water boil early”.

So i guess it means that the prototypes are tested in Mexico City, where the water boil at around 92/93 C?

I simply forwarded “her comment”, i don’t want to judge it.

MackOT

I’ve been watching this machine for awhile. I have friends that back it. One of them is pretty well known in Coffee industry. I decided early on that not gonna back it since the inventor has no track record in manufacturing stuff in China (he plans to built it there and ship to US).

If he can deliver it as he said and it can do thing like my ACS Evo Leva. Sure I will buy it. I look at it like automobile. One auto transmission one manual transmission. 😂

MediumRoastSteam

giampiero - or maybe La Paz, Bogotá or Quito. 🫤🤦‍♂️

I do wonder whether for higher temperatures the machine as is right now, might struggle to keep up with heat loss. Maybe, maybe not, maybe it’s altitude, maybe the presenter didn’t think too much about it. I would be interested in seeing it working with higher temps, just out of curiosity.

DavecUK

MediumRoastSteam I do wonder whether for higher temperatures the machine as is right now, might struggle to keep up with heat loss. Maybe, maybe not, maybe it’s altitude, maybe the presenter didn’t think too much about it. I would be interested in seeing it working with higher temps, just out of curiosity.

I think that’s a good point, heat loss is a 4th power equation, so it doesn’t increase in a linear fashion, e.g. twice as hot is 4 times the heat loss (Stefan-Boltzmann). I always used to be puzzled when someone would say, when not perhaps able to startt on their tea for a little while. I won’t put milk in my tea yet, as it will get cold faster…I’ll add the milk later. Which of course is the wrong way round.

giampiero I then found out that the author of the video she replied in the video comments section that “she did not changed the temp setting, and this setting was made due to at altitude the water boil early”.

This statement itself is puzzling the water boiling early would only refer to the maximum temperature achieved, so if the machine was set to 92 you would get a 92C shot, no reason to set it at 86 to 89 or less….in Mexico they could have set it to 90 or 91. The coffee doesn’t know it’s at altitude and extract badly at “ almost boiling”?

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