May be launching on Kickstarter Mid March and at USD $1.5k. A hybrid with a little bit of Decent and a little bit of Strietman. https://youtu.be/N-dxaLZTfGc At that price I'd probably back it. With four temperature sensors, built in scale, stop by weight, and more, it looks very well thought out. Seems to be a fully functioning working prototype which is encouraging. I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. Tom like.

That looks good! I was talking to a friend yesterday about something similar - I haven't seen this before, mind - Where for a compact version of the Nurri or the V Evo, you could have one boiler holding water under pressure for steam purposes. Then a heat exchanger would fill the group, but would also mix cold water with it. As the group is heated and with a sensor in it, the user could see the temperature of the water inside the piston in real time. Once it reaches the set temperature and it's stable, the user can simply release the lever and pull the shot -this would then make the brew boiler redundant. I'm no engineer, so I don't even know if that's even a possibility. But it would be a really neat machine. I'd be all over it.

@"tompoland"#p36554 Forgive me mate but where is the Strietman bit??

@"Amberale"#p36560 The group (that you fill in manually with a kettle) resembles the Strietman, in my opinion.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p36561 Have you got an approximate time in the video? I couldn't be stuffed watching them carry on for 30 minutes with a phone/tablet.

> @"tompoland"#p36554 I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. As an accountant, I applaud their effort to make their software compatible with all the mainstream tablets and thereby avoid the not insignificant cost of providing a dedicated tablet and so keeping the overall price lower. I like it a lot; but not having a boiler, it is not able to do steam, which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks?

> @"jrling"#p36578 which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks? Good point. Definitely a downer for milk coffee drinkers. Like the Strietman or Flair. Espresso only. Some buy separate milk heater/frothers but it's not ideal. PS different makes/models of tablets can be used with the Decent too.

@"tompoland"#p36580 Can you imagine a world where you would sell your CT2 to own this?

@"Amberale"#p36583 not with the Decent and a Nurri sitting on my bench either side of the Streitman. Not trying to be a smart xxrse, it's just that the Meticulous wouldn't really bring anything extra to the bench. It really does look terrific and if I didn't have the Decent it would be seriously tempting. All of which is to say that I've thought about it more since my original post and I won't be backing it. Having had a lot of machines and grinders come and go, I'm going to settle down for a while, I hope. (Other than a couple on pre-order being the Argos and x-Bloom 😀 )

Meticulous

giampiero

As Italian, i would never laughed at you, just for pouring espresso over few ice cubes….i was doing the same probably 30/40 years ago, but not for scientific reason…..i was simply preparing to my self a Shakerato🤣

DavecUK

giampiero As Italian, i would never laughed at you, just for pouring espresso over few ice cubes….i was doing the same probably 30/40 years ago, but not for scientific reason…..i was simply preparing to my self a Shakerato🤣

Tutto bene then.

MWJB

giampiero The idea with the frozen whisky stones/balls/cup/portafilter is that it is supposed to retain otherwise lost volatile aromatics, without chilling the beverage, or diluting it, as ice would.

tompoland

DavecUK I agree it would be quite seamless.

And to be fair, most Decent users seem to use one or two presets/profiles only. It’s a small minority who need out.

But the other useful aspect of the tablet is to view pressure, temp and flow in real time on the tablet. If nothing else it’s fascinating.

DavecUK

tompoland But the other useful aspect of the tablet is to view pressure, temp and flow in real time on the tablet. If nothing else it’s fascinating.

I think the little display on the meticulous seems to show quite a lot of info. I actually quite like the little OLED (?) display and presumably a turn and push digi knob.

MattH

Another video from I think the Portland coffee expo… just in case anyone was interested.

Sham

dfk41

tompoland

Cuprajake

Do you know of any youtubers who go through the technical mechanical/electronics/controls systems side of espresso in quite a bit of detail? Recently this guy (embedded engineer, currently working in bellwether coffee systems) popped up who does little projects which I enjoy watching and learning. Anyone know anyone else who does similar or something similar with existing machines?

tompoland

Sham Sham saw his pull down of the xBloom which was interesting. There is Jonathan Gagnes (astrophysicist - don’t even know how to spell that!) but don’t know if he is on youtube and Rpbert who wrote the book on data driven espresso and is here https://www.youtube.com/@espressofun6091

DavecUK

Sham Do you know of any youtubers who go through the technical mechanical/electronics/controls systems side of espresso in quite a bit of detail?

No, I used to, but I do less of it know as Tom says, it doesn’t get views, so it means a lot of work for nothing.

Even this simple video has had only 1000 views…surprising considering most people have no idea how this stuff works.

Cuprajake

I’ve not seen many, I’ve seen his channel before as I’ve shared it with a friend. Who’s into tech.

Sadly it doesn’t seem that that side of things get views 🤣 I prefer those types, there’s wired gourmet.

Sham

Thanks, I’ll check these out 🙂

dfk41

Thomas Greene, aka The Wired Gourmet does technical pull downs rather than the usual waffle most influencers produce

DavecUK

dfk41 Thomas Greene, aka The Wired Gourmet does technical pull downs rather than the usual waffle most influencers produce

It would be quite instructive to see a proper review of the prototype Meticulous unit!

dfk41

DavecUK Nae chance of that happening matey. They seem only to want to promote it, not review it or make it better.

DavecUK

dfk41 Nae chance of that happening matey. They seem only to want to promote it, not review it or make it better.

For sure, it has not gone anywhere where it’s actually going to get properly reviewed!

Raja123

There aren’t many manufacturers that send products to users for outright review purposes. Beta testing perhaps, but not for outright reviews. From the looks of it, isn’t that how you already work with most vendors that want your feedback, Dave (as a beta tester that doesn’t post full product reviews)?

dfk41

Raja123 Niche sent The Wired Gourmet a Duo and he does not do influencer style reviews. He says exactly what he finds, but……the Duo had been in existence for 17 months being refined all the time then sent to beta testers like myself in October last year for further tweaking…..before he received it

DavecUK

Raja123 There aren’t many manufacturers that send products to users for outright review purposes. Beta testing perhaps, but not for outright reviews. From the looks of it, isn’t that how you already work with most vendors that want your feedback, Dave (as a beta tester that doesn’t post full product reviews)?

A lot of manufacturers are not really interested in constructive criticism, or receptive to changing their product to get it right after their initial design. Others are just frightened to do it.

Raja123

dfk41 so I guess this isn’t much different to what happens overall for most products. Anyone that’s a user gets stuff later, and beta testers don’t post actual reviews…

Raja123

DavecUK it’s fairly common for manufacturers to utilize beta testers and YouTubers for different purposes. I don’t see that changing. Did you hope to get a sample of the meticulous to beta test as you do other products?

I’ve noticed Joe D and Rohan are helping to beta test the Meticulous. Those two are fairly knowledgable and both have access to the Decent DE1 also. Should translate to some good feedback.

Sham

DavecUK Well that make sense, if I design, finalise, build, and sort manufacturing, logistics etc, then at that point it’s likely too expensive to make design changes… Alternative is show prototypes for feedback but that may lead to other problems like diminishing the brand/product by showing an unfinished and flawed product. At best beta testers are used to just find easy to fix problems or slight improvements on the base design or reveal bugs. This is also why you never buy Version 1 of anything..

DavecUK

Raja123 Did you hope to get a sample of the meticulous to beta test as you do other products?

No, not at all, I have had no contact with them. To be honest I have more than enough to do as well as getting on with life. no time to get involved with them and I think they have all the influencers they need and many others on the payroll. Someone like me isn’t really what they want.

I also have a bad feeling about the product/campaign….which might make me a poor reviewer.

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