Raja123 Niche sent The Wired Gourmet a Duo and he does not do influencer style reviews. He says exactly what he finds, but……the Duo had been in existence for 17 months being refined all the time then sent to beta testers like myself in October last year for further tweaking…..before he received it
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Raja123 There aren’t many manufacturers that send products to users for outright review purposes. Beta testing perhaps, but not for outright reviews. From the looks of it, isn’t that how you already work with most vendors that want your feedback, Dave (as a beta tester that doesn’t post full product reviews)?
A lot of manufacturers are not really interested in constructive criticism, or receptive to changing their product to get it right after their initial design. Others are just frightened to do it.
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DavecUK it’s fairly common for manufacturers to utilize beta testers and YouTubers for different purposes. I don’t see that changing. Did you hope to get a sample of the meticulous to beta test as you do other products?
I’ve noticed Joe D and Rohan are helping to beta test the Meticulous. Those two are fairly knowledgable and both have access to the Decent DE1 also. Should translate to some good feedback.
There was a video earlier from sca with Emily? She was saying that it’s going to get a bigger water res, it’s the whole both brothers both have a failed project and now there asking for £££ upfront with no come back.
The machine it’s self looks like it works ok, the temp thing is a bit concerning atm it doesn’t seem to get too high. Time will tell, I don’t actually know how many of the machines are in the wild.
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DavecUK Well that make sense, if I design, finalise, build, and sort manufacturing, logistics etc, then at that point it’s likely too expensive to make design changes… Alternative is show prototypes for feedback but that may lead to other problems like diminishing the brand/product by showing an unfinished and flawed product. At best beta testers are used to just find easy to fix problems or slight improvements on the base design or reveal bugs. This is also why you never buy Version 1 of anything..
The designer and some of the beta testers are part of the EAF discord community. It’s a very busy discussion group and some of the beta test results and feedback gets posted on there.
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Raja123 Did you hope to get a sample of the meticulous to beta test as you do other products?
No, not at all, I have had no contact with them. To be honest I have more than enough to do as well as getting on with life. no time to get involved with them and I think they have all the influencers they need and many others on the payroll. Someone like me isn’t really what they want.
I also have a bad feeling about the product/campaign….which might make me a poor reviewer.
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DavecUK do you know for a fact they are paying people to beta test? Joe D and Rohan are stand up guys who have always been honest about products they have tested. Like you, they are not reviewers and don’t post full reviews of products. They help people use the product, write guides, or mention some of their findings, which is their known normal practice as beta testers.
My main concern is the 3 videos I’ve seen from reviewers who all had problems controlling the temperature “with this particular machine”.
I’m not a knocker, if I didn’t have Decent I would have taken the risk.
And I guess $6 million might go some way to fixing a PID or two.
Yes, posted that a while back. Somewhere up above I guess.
Got the Decent.
And sometimes with big ones like this, there are so many backers and such a long wait that backers lose interest by the time they receive their machines and they start popping up on coffeesnobs.com.au for the pledge price.
But even then I may not buy, still pretty happy with the D and can’t see a compelling reason to replace it.
Does anyone want to do the maths? See how many folks have backed it then divide that by the time left? I think it will run into big, unrealistic numbers!
3576 shipping in december. let us say 32 weeks. If they were manufacturing at full capacity now, thats 112 units a week…….that is a lot! But bearing in mind what it actually says, is estimated shipping to start in December to some units might get sent out and an awful lot might not
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Raja123 do you know for a fact they are paying people to beta test?
Did I say that? Please reread my post, then edit yours.
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Does it really matter,
It’s getting a hell of a push from most people on YouTube, I think what most are worried about is it never coming to light, like the failed chess board and that money pledged is being spent elsewhere.
You can understand someone like Dave who works with manufacturers in the industry having doubts when he know how hard it is for established businesses to make products..
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