Meticulous

tompoland yeah I doubt it’s that difficult to fix even if it is a problem. The Strietman manages it fine…

tompoland have you cancelled yours?

Does anyone want to do the maths? See how many folks have backed it then divide that by the time left? I think it will run into big, unrealistic numbers!

3576 shipping in december. let us say 32 weeks. If they were manufacturing at full capacity now, thats 112 units a week…….that is a lot! But bearing in mind what it actually says, is estimated shipping to start in December to some units might get sent out and an awful lot might not

Raja123 All @DavecUK did wrong, was to miss a comma out between the words need and and……….they have all the influencers they need, and many others on the payroll

dfk41 An important distinction.

Cuprajake It’s getting a hell of a push from most people on YouTube, I think what most are worried about is it never coming to light, like the failed chess board and that money pledged is being spent elsewhere.

You can understand someone like Dave who works with manufacturers in the industry having doubts when he know how hard it is for established businesses to make products..

Raja123 are you part of the meticulous team?

No.

I think right now, is going to be an acid test for crowdfunding. Naming two projects, Timemore and Meticulous, they really do seem to have caught the backers eyes and there is so much fervour, passion, stupidity and guff flying around, that where project meets reality, Unicorns have been brought back to life. For me, you have to be able to view any project and work out good points and bad points, work out what chance there is of success. It seems that the younger person, instead of sifting through the available material just believes and wants to believe, whatever is claimed by the host is true.

Look at the Odyssey Argos. The idea is brilliant. The project is not massively late but the months are adding up. An update released yesterday with 3 changes (Heating element seal, Fill tube alignment, CE / EMI compliance). The first two are relatively easy to fix but the third could see ping pong being played for some time. I really do hope that they resolve all issues very quickly. They have 50+ units ready to roll when the green light turns. They have been 100% transparent with their problems and answers and I personally think that is why the public have been so forgiving.

I think my wallet will stay firmly shut for the foreseeable future. If Timemore and Meticulous both make it, then perhaps that will restore some confidence, to myself anyway. meanwhile, I sit and watch and wait.

DavecUK Lets be clear, they have some influencers on the payroll and a massive team. As for beta testers being paid…I never said anything about beta testers?

Hi Dave,

I asked because I’d mentioned whether you were interested in beta testing the Meticulous. Other posts I’d made also mentioned that Meticulus did indeed have beta testers that aren’t influencers in the context of the discussions in this thread. Those beta testers can provide good feedback, and from what I have experienced from them thus far, they are not jaded or inclined to dress things up. I couldn’t see how sampling influencers and having employees equates to relegating the need for genuine beta testers, so I pulled that thread when you presented it.

I decided not to back the Met because of the kettle workflow. But, I still appreciate some of the innovation and how it may drive the industry forward. As with all Kickstarter campaigns, risks are involved, and there will likely be delays in achieving targets. However, I can’t be strident about things I don’t know as reasonable facts. I’m also not overly fixated on continually stating the obvious or encouraging people to be balanced, so I’ll bow out of the discussion.

-Raja

Raja123 I asked because I’d mentioned whether you were interested in beta testing the Meticulous. Other posts I’d made also mentioned that Meticulus did indeed have beta testers that aren’t influencers in the context of the discussions in this thread.

I am not interested in Beta testing, I don’t have the time with other things I have on. Also sounds as if they have plenty of people testing and doing whatever. As you correctly state, with Kickstarter projects there are risks. I am a little perturbed by their potential customers inventiveness in providing answers features and facilities that are not actually in the project description. From some the support even seems almost too much?

There is also not much factual evidence being presented, for me that’s a little worrying, but perhaps I simply haven’t seen it.

e.g. how long exactly does it take to heat room temperature water to shot temp…does the portafilter have to be warmed?

If you use a kettle, how long does it take exactly to be ready for a shot?

These are exactly the same type of questions I have for the Timemore Kickstarter project.

Watched lance vid from the live stream.

The principal of the machine is very good, he’s version 8 and said they are on 10 now,

What worries me is his machine was set to 89 for espresso his scace showed 83/84 out the pf.

There are still a tonne of changes to make and it’s due for release in Dec

He did address the whole failed kick starter thing.

Cuprajake What worries me is his machine was set to 89 for espresso his scace showed 83/84 out the pf

Why set to 89C if traditionally for a medium/light the temperature is around 92-94C?

Maybe the machine can’t keep up? Would be interesting to see a future version if this is addressed.

DavecUK The machine “looks” all modern minimalist and interesting…but really I can see it being a novelty for a while before it turns into a major PITA to use. Imagine a 2 mates drop round and are offered a coffee.

Latte please (sorry, doesn’t steam milk)
Americano then, OK I’ll put on the kettle
7-10 minutes later, what would you like, oh I’ll have an expresso
7- 10 minutes later, you make your own coffee
Clean up, and your left thinking, that was a ball ache

Kettles, small drip tray, and a long time between shots from everything I have seen so far. I tried to imagineer myself using something like that and realised quickly it’s not going to be fun and I think that could be true for a lot of backers.

Those problems aren’t unique to Meticulous, the Flair isn’t good for back to back drinks but people still like and buy them.

Exactly. It would be a perfect machine for me. I could even pair it with an nano foamer or whatever. No one drinks coffee in my house but me, and guests can have coffee from a Moka pot, for example.

But for $1,500 or whatever it is… I’ll keep my Elizabeth thanks!

I do like the idea of being able to just pour water from a kettle into the group. This would mean I could just use tap water or from a Brita Filter, but not need to go thought lengths to make my own water so it’s boiler safe.

Temperature stability might be a problem though, as shown.