Meticulous

DavecUK Lets be clear, they have some influencers on the payroll and a massive team. As for beta testers being paid…I never said anything about beta testers?

Hi Dave,

I asked because I’d mentioned whether you were interested in beta testing the Meticulous. Other posts I’d made also mentioned that Meticulus did indeed have beta testers that aren’t influencers in the context of the discussions in this thread. Those beta testers can provide good feedback, and from what I have experienced from them thus far, they are not jaded or inclined to dress things up. I couldn’t see how sampling influencers and having employees equates to relegating the need for genuine beta testers, so I pulled that thread when you presented it.

I decided not to back the Met because of the kettle workflow. But, I still appreciate some of the innovation and how it may drive the industry forward. As with all Kickstarter campaigns, risks are involved, and there will likely be delays in achieving targets. However, I can’t be strident about things I don’t know as reasonable facts. I’m also not overly fixated on continually stating the obvious or encouraging people to be balanced, so I’ll bow out of the discussion.

-Raja

Raja123 I asked because I’d mentioned whether you were interested in beta testing the Meticulous. Other posts I’d made also mentioned that Meticulus did indeed have beta testers that aren’t influencers in the context of the discussions in this thread.

I am not interested in Beta testing, I don’t have the time with other things I have on. Also sounds as if they have plenty of people testing and doing whatever. As you correctly state, with Kickstarter projects there are risks. I am a little perturbed by their potential customers inventiveness in providing answers features and facilities that are not actually in the project description. From some the support even seems almost too much?

There is also not much factual evidence being presented, for me that’s a little worrying, but perhaps I simply haven’t seen it.

e.g. how long exactly does it take to heat room temperature water to shot temp…does the portafilter have to be warmed?

If you use a kettle, how long does it take exactly to be ready for a shot?

These are exactly the same type of questions I have for the Timemore Kickstarter project.

Watched lance vid from the live stream.

The principal of the machine is very good, he’s version 8 and said they are on 10 now,

What worries me is his machine was set to 89 for espresso his scace showed 83/84 out the pf.

There are still a tonne of changes to make and it’s due for release in Dec

He did address the whole failed kick starter thing.

Cuprajake What worries me is his machine was set to 89 for espresso his scace showed 83/84 out the pf

Why set to 89C if traditionally for a medium/light the temperature is around 92-94C?

Maybe the machine can’t keep up? Would be interesting to see a future version if this is addressed.

DavecUK The machine “looks” all modern minimalist and interesting…but really I can see it being a novelty for a while before it turns into a major PITA to use. Imagine a 2 mates drop round and are offered a coffee.

Latte please (sorry, doesn’t steam milk)
Americano then, OK I’ll put on the kettle
7-10 minutes later, what would you like, oh I’ll have an expresso
7- 10 minutes later, you make your own coffee
Clean up, and your left thinking, that was a ball ache

Kettles, small drip tray, and a long time between shots from everything I have seen so far. I tried to imagineer myself using something like that and realised quickly it’s not going to be fun and I think that could be true for a lot of backers.

Those problems aren’t unique to Meticulous, the Flair isn’t good for back to back drinks but people still like and buy them.

Exactly. It would be a perfect machine for me. I could even pair it with an nano foamer or whatever. No one drinks coffee in my house but me, and guests can have coffee from a Moka pot, for example.

But for $1,500 or whatever it is… I’ll keep my Elizabeth thanks!

I do like the idea of being able to just pour water from a kettle into the group. This would mean I could just use tap water or from a Brita Filter, but not need to go thought lengths to make my own water so it’s boiler safe.

Temperature stability might be a problem though, as shown.

Re Kickstarter, I saw a post today saying timemore will not be shipping to some countries because of the cost. But they are not going to release this list till the deadline has passed ..not sure if true.

I just don’t like a platform were you have no comeback. There’s no distance selling laws, they could send you anything 😔

Think it preys on everyone wanting a bargain.

I’ve bought used most my life and have been burnt some times, so I’ve always looked at if it’s less than 25% saving buy new, get a warranty.

With regards to timemore… aren’t they a stablished company? Would they really risk of “doing a runner” or upsetting a very large customer base? Or maybe I’m too naïve.

Nah they wouldn’t do a runner, I’d say they probably underestimated how many backers they would get lol.

Sorry be me mixing stuff up lol as I mentioned TM in the meticulous thread 👍

tompoland - No, not your post :-) 👍

tompoland Pushing it super hard isn’t he.

live streaming his last comments on the timemore today, then said hes done, probably distancing himself as timemore have just changed there tune around shipping world wide and paying fees..

Now i wait the next video like a new episode of Breaking Bad😂