May be launching on Kickstarter Mid March and at USD $1.5k. A hybrid with a little bit of Decent and a little bit of Strietman. https://youtu.be/N-dxaLZTfGc At that price I'd probably back it. With four temperature sensors, built in scale, stop by weight, and more, it looks very well thought out. Seems to be a fully functioning working prototype which is encouraging. I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. Tom like.

That looks good! I was talking to a friend yesterday about something similar - I haven't seen this before, mind - Where for a compact version of the Nurri or the V Evo, you could have one boiler holding water under pressure for steam purposes. Then a heat exchanger would fill the group, but would also mix cold water with it. As the group is heated and with a sensor in it, the user could see the temperature of the water inside the piston in real time. Once it reaches the set temperature and it's stable, the user can simply release the lever and pull the shot -this would then make the brew boiler redundant. I'm no engineer, so I don't even know if that's even a possibility. But it would be a really neat machine. I'd be all over it.

@"tompoland"#p36554 Forgive me mate but where is the Strietman bit??

@"Amberale"#p36560 The group (that you fill in manually with a kettle) resembles the Strietman, in my opinion.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p36561 Have you got an approximate time in the video? I couldn't be stuffed watching them carry on for 30 minutes with a phone/tablet.

> @"tompoland"#p36554 I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. As an accountant, I applaud their effort to make their software compatible with all the mainstream tablets and thereby avoid the not insignificant cost of providing a dedicated tablet and so keeping the overall price lower. I like it a lot; but not having a boiler, it is not able to do steam, which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks?

> @"jrling"#p36578 which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks? Good point. Definitely a downer for milk coffee drinkers. Like the Strietman or Flair. Espresso only. Some buy separate milk heater/frothers but it's not ideal. PS different makes/models of tablets can be used with the Decent too.

@"tompoland"#p36580 Can you imagine a world where you would sell your CT2 to own this?

@"Amberale"#p36583 not with the Decent and a Nurri sitting on my bench either side of the Streitman. Not trying to be a smart xxrse, it's just that the Meticulous wouldn't really bring anything extra to the bench. It really does look terrific and if I didn't have the Decent it would be seriously tempting. All of which is to say that I've thought about it more since my original post and I won't be backing it. Having had a lot of machines and grinders come and go, I'm going to settle down for a while, I hope. (Other than a couple on pre-order being the Argos and x-Bloom 😀 )

Meticulous

Drift

giampiero

Am I missing something? In the video he said 3 minutes to heat up, not 12, but everyone is responding as if they all heard 12?

Where are you all getting 12 minutes from?

giampiero

Drift you are right, i did listen the video again and it was my ear fault.

tompoland

Well this sucks. Meticulous (and maybe Decent) getting sued.

https://foamy-snowman-457.notion.site/Open-Letter-in-defense-of-innovation-72c66670a226469c877aa56cc6055f32

dfk41

tompoland I feel for Carlos. In 2014 I allegedly defamed an employee who launched a law suit (or threatened to through lawyers). I spent hours and hours reading and researching. The ‘advice’ from the law firms I went to was to admit it and pay up. I contacted my Professional Indemnity insurers and they wanted my 10k excess and agreed to pay up. I pleaded with them to let me contest it. I wrote two letters that had to go to them for approval. The first letter was a long winded affair designed to see if he was willing to incur costs in answering. The second letter was two pages long and they never responded. What did I say? I had told the truth which cannot be defamatory. I challenged them to wait a period of time and see if my words came true.

If Carlos decides to fund raise, even though I do not know him and do not want his product, then I would pledge something to his cause.

JammyDodger

dfk41 If Carlos decides to fund raise, even though I do not know him and do not want his product, then I would pledge something to his cause.

I’m with you here @dfk41. I’m not in the market for a meticulous however I hate this creativity-stifling, everyone-for-himself, money-grabbing arseholery.

EDIT - pleased to see that got through the filter

dfk41

JammyDodger you might have invented a new word!

MWJB

Don’t know how you report ads on Youtube, but the Meticulous crew should probably be made aware of this:

https://origonom.com/product/first-autonomous-espresso-machine/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAr8eqBhD3ARIsAIe-buOvj13443rxStrxPuZ3rs44HQ6yVIk-bdzOX8YbtSDkK2Dv11WUQI4aAk_JEALw_wcB#reviews

DavecUK

MWJB They can’t do anything, it’s just a scam page

giampiero

MWJB maybe i missed something, but the link it’s about a DeLonghi machine🤔

tompoland

These pop up all the time unfortunately. Getting them taken down is like playing whack-a-mole. I have the same issue with my online products. People get a copy, set up a webpage and pretend that they are a reseller. Sigh. Pain in the butt.

Some use Google groups or similar to promote and they get taken down pretty much straight away but I have no idea how Met would get a site like that taken down.

Maybe just let Duvall know about it and wait for the legal threats?

dfk41

giampiero

dfk41 ahhhhhhh, i did not scrolled up….ok got it ,thanks.

Cuprajake

Has this been launched now?

BrendaninBrooklyn

Cuprajake Jake, No, shipping in Q3 or Q4 2024, maybe

Cuprajake

I thought it was Dec? 23?

Sham

Cuprajake over promising is how you do kick starters

BrendaninBrooklyn

Cuprajake So did a lot of folks ;-)

MattH

Its the age old - get a discount and fomo - rather than wait and see the product on the shelf ready to buy…..

DavecUK

Anyone Noticed the videos being pumped out for the meticulous from E L Bryant all of a sudden…2 in 24 hours. I wonder if they are going for another funding round?

dfk41

DavecUK You cynic!

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