May be launching on Kickstarter Mid March and at USD $1.5k. A hybrid with a little bit of Decent and a little bit of Strietman. https://youtu.be/N-dxaLZTfGc At that price I'd probably back it. With four temperature sensors, built in scale, stop by weight, and more, it looks very well thought out. Seems to be a fully functioning working prototype which is encouraging. I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. Tom like.

That looks good! I was talking to a friend yesterday about something similar - I haven't seen this before, mind - Where for a compact version of the Nurri or the V Evo, you could have one boiler holding water under pressure for steam purposes. Then a heat exchanger would fill the group, but would also mix cold water with it. As the group is heated and with a sensor in it, the user could see the temperature of the water inside the piston in real time. Once it reaches the set temperature and it's stable, the user can simply release the lever and pull the shot -this would then make the brew boiler redundant. I'm no engineer, so I don't even know if that's even a possibility. But it would be a really neat machine. I'd be all over it.

@"tompoland"#p36554 Forgive me mate but where is the Strietman bit??

@"Amberale"#p36560 The group (that you fill in manually with a kettle) resembles the Strietman, in my opinion.

@"MediumRoastSteam"#p36561 Have you got an approximate time in the video? I couldn't be stuffed watching them carry on for 30 minutes with a phone/tablet.

> @"tompoland"#p36554 I would like to see a dedicated tablet with stand (like the Decent) on top to avoid having to hold it by hand. But that is easy enough with a tablet stand. As an accountant, I applaud their effort to make their software compatible with all the mainstream tablets and thereby avoid the not insignificant cost of providing a dedicated tablet and so keeping the overall price lower. I like it a lot; but not having a boiler, it is not able to do steam, which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks?

> @"jrling"#p36578 which could be a downer for those liking milky drinks? Good point. Definitely a downer for milk coffee drinkers. Like the Strietman or Flair. Espresso only. Some buy separate milk heater/frothers but it's not ideal. PS different makes/models of tablets can be used with the Decent too.

@"tompoland"#p36580 Can you imagine a world where you would sell your CT2 to own this?

@"Amberale"#p36583 not with the Decent and a Nurri sitting on my bench either side of the Streitman. Not trying to be a smart xxrse, it's just that the Meticulous wouldn't really bring anything extra to the bench. It really does look terrific and if I didn't have the Decent it would be seriously tempting. All of which is to say that I've thought about it more since my original post and I won't be backing it. Having had a lot of machines and grinders come and go, I'm going to settle down for a while, I hope. (Other than a couple on pre-order being the Argos and x-Bloom 😀 )

Meticulous

Gagaryn

JahLaza

You literally directly asked me a question! Replying “move on!” to my short response to your questionis somewhat ironic. If you hadn’t asked, I wouldn’t have answered.

Perhaps it was a rhetorical question? In which case it may have been better if you had acted on your own advice…

You guys make no sense. :)

giampiero

Hi guys, i want to forward an info about Meticulous, is this the right thread?🤣

Ok, i just watched a video took at the last SCA Expo, the Meticulous guy he said that, using room temperature water, the machine it take about 12 minutes to reach the desired brew temp, but i’m sure nobody was thinking to use it in such way.

Drift

giampiero

Am I missing something? In the video he said 3 minutes to heat up, not 12, but everyone is responding as if they all heard 12?

Where are you all getting 12 minutes from?

dfk41

Thanks for the link matey. It makes me wonder on the topic of heating room temperature water, as Carlos suggested use a kettle……but……..at 12 minutes or so for such a small amount? My Evo heats up from scratch in around the same time. The heater cartridges in the group take a couple of minutes longer. The interviewer said he had heard that the machine performed better after a couple of shots. Presumably that is when the group las also come to temp?

tompoland

Open boiler, right? Anyone know if there is a lid like the Strietman, the latter takes around 12 minutes too.

Cuprajake

surely you’d use a kettle really, as thats the main way to pour the water into the group so may as well speed things up a little,

tompoland

with a small boiler yes. but I could pull half a dozen shots with the 355ml boiler in the Strietman before I needed to top it up. I certainly didn’t top it up after every shot but temperature stability was better with a full tank. But I never topped it up with boiling water. Didn’t feel the need. 12 minute warm up is fine. Flick it on, go shave, come back.

DavecUK

tompoland Flick it on, go shave, come back.

So people with beards lose out!

Chriss29

I think this looks a really interesting machine however as soon as I saw it being filled with a kettle I thought of the Flair 58, which is cheaper, proven and has less to go wrong. It’s more manual but not by much.

I’m not a fan of looking at shots through a tablet, I much prefer feel and visual but each to their own, I can see why tablets are appealing as I suppose it’s more accurate and definitive

dfk41

I have a 1970’s Ararrex Caravel. It is a beautiful vintage machine. It has an open boiler. You stick a thermo pen in after having made sure the group is warm. I say group as there really is not much to it. You raise the lever to allow water to enter the piston then pull down. It is not spring assisted so everything is done by feel and grind adjustment. It is fun to use and when you get it bang on, produces a really sweet shot. Now to me, that is fun!

giampiero

Drift you are right, i did listen the video again and it was my ear fault.

tompoland

Well this sucks. Meticulous (and maybe Decent) getting sued.

https://foamy-snowman-457.notion.site/Open-Letter-in-defense-of-innovation-72c66670a226469c877aa56cc6055f32

dfk41

tompoland I feel for Carlos. In 2014 I allegedly defamed an employee who launched a law suit (or threatened to through lawyers). I spent hours and hours reading and researching. The ‘advice’ from the law firms I went to was to admit it and pay up. I contacted my Professional Indemnity insurers and they wanted my 10k excess and agreed to pay up. I pleaded with them to let me contest it. I wrote two letters that had to go to them for approval. The first letter was a long winded affair designed to see if he was willing to incur costs in answering. The second letter was two pages long and they never responded. What did I say? I had told the truth which cannot be defamatory. I challenged them to wait a period of time and see if my words came true.

If Carlos decides to fund raise, even though I do not know him and do not want his product, then I would pledge something to his cause.

JammyDodger

dfk41 If Carlos decides to fund raise, even though I do not know him and do not want his product, then I would pledge something to his cause.

I’m with you here @dfk41. I’m not in the market for a meticulous however I hate this creativity-stifling, everyone-for-himself, money-grabbing arseholery.

EDIT - pleased to see that got through the filter

dfk41

JammyDodger you might have invented a new word!

MWJB

Don’t know how you report ads on Youtube, but the Meticulous crew should probably be made aware of this:

https://origonom.com/product/first-autonomous-espresso-machine/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAr8eqBhD3ARIsAIe-buOvj13443rxStrxPuZ3rs44HQ6yVIk-bdzOX8YbtSDkK2Dv11WUQI4aAk_JEALw_wcB#reviews

DavecUK

MWJB They can’t do anything, it’s just a scam page

giampiero

MWJB maybe i missed something, but the link it’s about a DeLonghi machine🤔

tompoland

These pop up all the time unfortunately. Getting them taken down is like playing whack-a-mole. I have the same issue with my online products. People get a copy, set up a webpage and pretend that they are a reseller. Sigh. Pain in the butt.

Some use Google groups or similar to promote and they get taken down pretty much straight away but I have no idea how Met would get a site like that taken down.

Maybe just let Duvall know about it and wait for the legal threats?

dfk41

giampiero

dfk41 ahhhhhhh, i did not scrolled up….ok got it ,thanks.

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