As the title says, the time has come for me to downsize to a single dose grinder. I dont like having to leave beans in my Compak and have tried running it near empty with a quick purge each time but a) this is extremely wasteful, b) it is not designed to run that way and I get grind size inconsistency. My goldilocks scenario would be: * Primarily an espresso grinder roughly as capable as my current Compak F10 (taking a hit in build & longevity, but hopefully gaining **a lot** in bean freshness and grind consistency when single dosing) * Can quickly transition to a serviceable filter grind for 1-2 cups a week - adjustment akin to the niche, df64 etc would be awesome * Small form factor * Low mess & hassle * Aesthetic: important * Cant take a year to grind a single shot, I have become painfully accustomed to 3s grind times Given the sub £1k single doser market has exploded the past 5 years, I would love to hear thoughts and any answers to the following Qs from anyone who has done what I am planning: * What grinder did you switch to? * Are you happy with it? * What do you think is the best on offer right now (I guess with criteria above in mind)? * To the average palate, does flat vs conical *matter*? (I am craving a move back to flat for more clarity, despite the Niche…) * How much does the workflow of a flat burr single doser get old/tiring? * I have been dubious of conical burr alignment the past year or so (more planes for things to be marginally off), do you think the Niche suffers from this at all/does this matter in the grand scheme of things? * Have you been following the release of the Timemore Sculptor this month? **The 78S excites me but I fear it is a lot of good looking marketing (and a beautiful design) for what may be a bit of a dud with poor 3rd party burr options** **Loads of questions here obviously, and not expecting a reply to all, just really any thoughts that people have to weigh in with would be greatly appreciated!** Cheers!

Also interested in this, I hate clean up and coffee grinds from my moded Mazzer (even though it just takes me a few minutes), It's just not enjoyable! Another option is a hand grinder, however good ones are rather expensive (even second hand) and you have a forced 5 minute work-out every time you want a coffee.

@"dndrich"#p38137 this has been largely my thinking! I did just stumble onto this guy recently and have a lot of time for his approach and views: https://youtu.be/PBn223u7w2s It does make me wonder if i'll be trading the things i don't personally love about my current conical for another

Your advice downsizing to a single dose grinder?

Grahamsphillips

NICHE fits the bill. I love mine but right now? I’d hang on for some proper evaluation of the Timemore or if I had a bit of extra cash I’d probably go with the DF83

tobyjrn6

Grahamsphillips appreciate the insights here. I had a good look at the df83 and for the price it felt like they have cut some unnecessary corners/not improved on issues from the 64.

I definitely want to hold out and find out on the Timemore but also want to back it on release day and lock in a low price. Decisions decisions

Ernie1

If I’ve learned anything in the last few years it’s that if the question contains the word grinder, the answer contains the word Niche.

It’s not for everyone (I find it ugly, loud and slow) but if looks/speed aren’t a factor then hard to argue it’s not the best sub £1k single doser out there.

tobyjrn6

Ernie1 Someone should print that on a bar towel

I am actually a real fan of how it looks fortunately. Speed I am on the fence with and loud, whilst not a dealbreaker, would be annoying. We had a Mythos for a few weeks at a roastery I worked in for a bit and my god grinding with that was a pleasure for the sound alone

chlorox

tobyjrn6

I also had compak - manual dosing k10 that I used as a single doser for a long time. When the df64 made big waves, I bought it with SSP burrs and found that it gave me much better flavour separation and nuances in the taste. I realised then that although the conical burrs on the k10 gave more body, they tended to just blend everything into an amorphous whole and I no longer enjoyed it as much after learning to prefer the flat burrs taste instead. The k10 has barely been used at all since I got the df64 as a result and when I have used it to see if I will like the taste, I found I missed the flat burr profile. So for me I would probably give the niche a miss.

Contrary to many people’s views, I find the df64 with SSP burrs combo to be an unbeatable value proposition for the quality of coffee it delivers. If your budget can stretch to the df83 if fitted with ssp burrs, I would expect that it would be worth checking out - I have no personal experience of that grinder though.

Ernie1

The thing is with single dosing, by the time you’ve portioned out individual doses, probably taken some time over bean storage, the 20 or so seconds it takes to grind a dose on the Niche isn’t really much of an issue unless you’re making like 3 or 4 back to back coffees.

tobyjrn6

Ernie1 yeah 20ish seconds really wouldnt be the be all and end all. I have probably been rubbed the wrong way by using a sage smart grinder pro whilst I had my Compak in pieces for painting, and listening to that thing scream its way through beans for 30s was rather painful

Cuprajake

It’s all preference.

Speed, noise etc

Some want fast others slow, unless you spend silly money you generally don’t get all of that.

New grinders are always coming out, but alot don’t get real world testing or review so it’s hard

Given that the df83 is £800 odd

dndrich

I just find it hard to not recommend the Niche. I have had mine for a year. Fabulous. Easy work flow. I find the sound it makes to be a very satisfying low sound, rather than the high pitch of some grinders. Easy to switch to a filter coffee. I do it everyday. Drip coffee in the morning, espresso in the afternoon. I like the look of the thing. I guess that is what makes horse racing. If you buy one and don’t like it, it will hold value and can be sold. This flat versus conical thing is outside my taste buds. I am thrilled with the coffee I get.

tobyjrn6

dndrich this has been largely my thinking!

I did just stumble onto this guy recently and have a lot of time for his approach and views:

It does make me wonder if i’ll be trading the things i don’t personally love about my current conical for another

dndrich

tobyjrn6 Ah Lance Hedrick!! There have been some rather heated threads with him on it on this forum recently. He was on the forum and left. Lots of posts that went on about that. He is a light roast guy I think, and some folks just prefer flat burrs for that. Me, medium to dark roast, traditional espresso flavors like chocolate, molasses, brown sugar sort of stuff. I love my Niche I have to say. Niche has made such a splash that every single doser claims to be the Niche killer. Niche has quite a following, and in my view for good reason.

DavecUK

tobyjrn6 I did just stumble onto this guy recently and have a lot of time for his approach and views:

I unsubscribed awhile ago, as I consistently found the opposite.

tobyjrn6

dndrich oh really? Clearly I’ve been away for too long. Surprised only just discovered him on yt too to be fair!

I would say i’m definitely a bit of light roast guy myself so maybe that is why I’m not so keen on what my grinder produces. I guess it is really just a matter of preference on these things a lot of the time.

I’ve dreamed of a niche for ages for all the same good reason. Just want to be sure it is the right fit for me personally

tompoland

dndrich Lance who? 😜

dndrich

tobyjrn6 Yeah, I gotcha. Little risk in buying one though, since if you don’t like it you should be able to sell it.

Amberale

tompoland
Who could have predicted such an outcome?

Cuprajake

My tastes with medium light are flat big burrs I have in my major, they just give better separation of flavours Vs the conical in the niche

This doesn’t mean the niche is bad, it’s just more muddled.

The problem with lances review is he’s is a light roast guy, and put this through a set of burrs the kony burrs that were not ment to be used for light, so he’s going to have less favourable results. I note he doesn’t always use light roasts in his grinder reviews….

tobyjrn6

Cuprajake i guess despite all of the qualifiers and caveats he gives, if you have a video that goes against conventional wisdom and causes a stir, that is going to give you good exposure

Cuprajake

Actually edit CBA with the possible backlash

tobyjrn6

tompoland I did have a search and ultimately had questions that are not covered in another post. Plus this area of the market moves pretty quickly and views change.

That said, if you could point me in the direction of the other post instead of just calling out dupe, that would actually be helpful

tompoland

tobyjrn6 misunderstanding. “Duplicate post” was referring to mine, not yours. I could not delete it so instead I replaced the duplicated text with the words “Duplicate post”. My apologies for the ambiguity.

tobyjrn6

tompoland Hahaha god sorry and now dont I look like a d*ck. It did feel like a bit of a random call out!

tompoland

tobyjrn6 all good. I know from personal experience how easy it is to get the wrong end of the stick with just the written word.