I have recently been made aware of the Kickstarter campaign from Timemore, which will launch soon. What they promise vs the price looks almost too good, and I wanted to ask if people had any experience with their products, especially the 078? I am looking for a grinder upgrade from my sage to use with my Lelit Elizabeth, and upcoming 064s looks interesting to me.

There's some discussion about it here, one member has the 078 at the moment and highly rates it for filter: https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/1352-new-kickstarter-campaign-for-timemore-sculptor

> @"krupodrom"#p39059 I wanted to ask if people had any experience with their products Not sure how relevant it is, but I have their scale and I'm very happy with it.

> @"Doram"#p39089 Not sure how relevant it is, but I have their scale and I’m very happy with it. I have their scale as well (the Nano). The main benefits for me were price (1/3 of the Acaia Lunar), accuracy and speed (ie no lag). I also like the form factor (sleek, thin). But the adjustment buttons are poorly designed. And Espresso Mode can stall, particularly in slow running shots. It arbitrarily decides that the shot has ended, when it didn’t. Auto-tar also has issues. The standard mode works well. Just be sure to tar every time. So, it handles its basic functions well, but not the additional features. The above may well apply to other Timemore products.

> @"JHCCoffee"#p39128 But the adjustment buttons are poorly designed. And Espresso Mode can stall, particularly in slow running shots. It arbitrarily decides that the shot has ended, when it didn’t. Auto-tar also has issues. The standard mode works well. Just be sure to tar every time. If you are referring to the scale automatically starting the timer when it detects the weight change, I find this pointless because the only time I'm interested in, if any, is from when the pump is activated, not when the coffee hits the cup, so I don't use it (I did try it once when I got my scale and it worked just fine). I'm happy with the scales because they are accurate, fast enough for me, build quality is excellent for the price (in my opinion) buttons always work first time, device is solid, drips are no problem, it's all flat with no nukes and crannies to catch dirt and grime so very easy to keep clean, battery lasts a long time and is rechargeable via USB-C. Those scales do everything I want them to do, and for the [\~£30 I paid for them on AliExpress](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005029275896.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.43.175e7aaepYES5Q&algo_pvid=fc6f583a-f9eb-4013-95ce-0c7829a82826&algo_exp_id=fc6f583a-f9eb-4013-95ce-0c7829a82826-21&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000031388057778%22%7D&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21GBP%2160.0%2130.0%21%21%21%21%21%402145274c16782217010625910d06ee%2112000031388057778%21sea%21GB%21759872575&curPageLogUid=ME8MH7Su9Gwu) they are fantastic value in my opinion. If Timemore grinders are as good as their scales (and of course, I don't know that they are), I would have no hesitation to recommend the brand from my own experience. I have never used an Acaia Lunar, but I don't see much point in comparing a £30-40 scale to a [£250-300 one](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acaia-Lunar-Coffee-Scale-black/dp/B015JIT1B6/ref=asc_df_B015JIT1B6/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=256011645564&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15982374830064192934&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006598&hvtargid=pla-299162972620&psc=1) (a bit of a lunacy, imho). I also assume that the average person who is interested in Acaia Lunar scales will not be the typical buyer of a Timemore grinder.

@"Doram"#p39131 Agreed. It’s a good scale for the price. It’s the best of the lower priced scale heap. After that you are into an Acaia, which I agree is just too expensive (for me, anyway). Just that Timemore could have done some things better. Especially the buttons, which are unduly sensitive and badly placed. And the Espresso mode, which sometimes fails to start weighing or stops weighing inadvertently. The standard mode works just fine. And it would be great if their scale paired with a logging app, as their other scales apparently do. I guess you can’t have everything. Its still a great value. Just not sure I would buy a grinder from them. I guess it boils down to price and (for me): 1) burr quality and alignment, 2) overall build quality, and 3) ease of use. I initially bought a Eureka Mignon Specialita and soon after sold it, to buy my NZ. It was worth every penny I put into the NZ. I now have two (one for City and one for the Cottage). It was a stretch to buy my initial NZ and Lelit E (my wife complained about it for a while), but I am absolutely happy it and glad that I stretched abit. Next up is to replace my cottage Breville DuoPro, with a Lelit E. Or?

> @"JHCCoffee"#p39133 Just that Timemore could have done some things better. Especially the buttons, which are unduly sensitive and badly placed. The buttons on mine are at the two bottom corners. Can't think of a better position for them. Sensitivity is perfect for me. > @"JHCCoffee"#p39133 And the Espresso mode, which sometimes fails to start weighing or stops weighing inadvertently. A useless feature (imo) that I don't use. As far as I know mine works, but I don't care if it doesn't. It would be equally useless for me on a million dollar scale that works like a Swiss clock and is connected to a super computer. > @"JHCCoffee"#p39133 it would be great if their scale paired with a logging app Can't ever dream to want my scale to be paired with an app. It's a scale… > @"JHCCoffee"#p39133 Just not sure I would buy a grinder from them. I have a Niche, so I'm not buying a grinder from anyone. :)

> @"Doram"#p39135 I have a Niche, so I’m not buying a grinder from anyone. :) Sorry. It was @"krupodrom"#750 that is the OP.

@"JHCCoffee"#p39133 yeah I'm surprised they didn't add on a cheap Bluetooth chip for the price that the nanos are selling for, feel like they're missing a trick there. A small change to properly compete with Acaia, Felicita etc. and the higher end coffee scales, plus there's so many apps out there you wouldn't even need to develop your own at this point.

Hopefully someone has an opinion on this but i'm trying to figure out if I should get the timemore 078s…currently have a stock DF64…watched Kyle Roswell's video and was conflicted when he said he thought the 064s was better for milk drinks which I primarily make, but thought the 78 had to be better overall…now wondering if getting SSP burrs for my DF64 would be better than getting the 078s?

You can always sell 078s if you dont like it for the same price and buy SSP's for your df64 later on. I still think it is a bargain for £400.

Timemore grinders 078s, 064s and 064

Cuprajake

tompoland i know there has been reports that some of the 64mm burrs wont fit inside the 064s and there were a few vids, but i know some were successful, so not sure on that,

Emc2

We can only wait and see how the Timemore performs. I like the taste profile of flat burrs and am really enjoying the taste from the 233M flat burrs on the modded Super Jolly as compared to the Zero. If the performance of the 078s is similar but with a better workflow, I’ll be really pleased. If not, I’ll sell it and use the money towards the Duo.

PartySausage

Emc2 Can I ask what differences are you finding between the Niche & 233M? What brews & roasts are you using Espresso/Filter, Light, Medium etc.
Cheers

Emc2

PartySausage I drink espresso or flat white generally. Medium to the darker end of medium. I find that the zero while great, introduces some astringency in the coffee I’m currently using when I push the extraction. The 233M is impressive for the cost. Smooth, no astringency at all.

Could be technique but it’s the same for both grinders. I haven’t blind tasted but am fairly certain I’ll be able to make out the difference.

I haven’t tried medium dark coffee yet with the 233M. The zero was far superior to the 033M for this type of roast.

PartySausage

Emc2 Thanks for the feedback.
I’m considering getting some for my DF64, which I’m using primarily for pour over with SSP MP paired with my Zero for Espresso
I don’t use the DF for espresso with those burrs as the retention/release when switching back & forth between pour over & espresso is pretty bad, circa 1g & can’t work out where it’s being hidden as the chute & declumper are clear & even when I’ve taken the top off there isn’t anything obvious but when I go back to pour over it gets dumped into my grind so I end up with an extra gram of espresso grind in with the rest, which isn’t pleasant. Also when using the SSP MP for Espresso the portafilter gets let’s say a bit feisty (messy)
I was thinking of putting some 233M burrs in the DF for espresso as a fairly inexpensive upgrade over the Italmills when my 078 lands, which I’m hoping will be taking over pour over duties.
I’m more at the Light/Medium end of the spectrum so I don’t know if the 223M’s will add much to the party over the zero but for the price of them it’s not much of a hurt on the wallet to try them out.

Emc2

PartySausage The 233M apparently are similar to SSP HU so should work with both light and medium roasts. For the price, it’s worth the gamble. I’m certainly enjoying the medium roasts with the 233M .

PartySausage

Emc2 Thanks That sounds like a good recommendation.
I’m just hoping they fit. They’re advertised as fitting but with the inner diameter of Italmill/SSP being 38mm & the 233M being 37mm I’m not so sure.
I seem to remember somewhere on this forum that someone had an issue with the tolerance of the lower burr carrier on the DF not being that consistent & the burrs didn’t fit the one they had, but fitted another that they’d subsequently bought.

Inspector

Don’t understand why they wouldn’t send a batch to the UK as they have a retailer here and they already selling 078 and sent/sold limited amount of 078s a month ago. Gonna be a long wait I guess

Cuprajake

eek and the usa/canada, as id presume they would of been the biggest backers

Emc2

Cuprajake they don’t have the product certification for USA yet

Cuprajake

Oh, the way it was going on the Hb it sounded like the us was going to be the biggest market

Emc2

Cuprajake yes it is. But they can’t start shipping until the certification is in place. They can ship to the EU as they already have CE certification.

Grahamsphillips

Bizarrely I’m happy to wait. Let’s see what the real-world responses are from those who receive the early batches. What’s their quality control like and do they live up to all the hype? Meanwhile my trusty NICHE continues to serve me well !

Milko

I didn’t get that email until today, but my one includes the UK at the end of the list.

Emc2

Milko yes, today’s update mentions UK delivery.

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, mainland China, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, HongKong, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom.

Inspector

Yes, finally

Inspector

Cuprajake

Strange review

So out of the 83mm burrs he tested, he suggests to buy the 64mm thats only available in 250 units per 6 months

Joking aside, I don’t know what to make of the review,

DavecUK

Cuprajake Joking aside, I don’t know what to make of the review,

For that you would have to get inside his mind.

MWJB

Cuprajake Joking aside, I don’t know what to make of the review,

I don’t know why you (or anyone) would even watch it?

He did a video the other day congratulating the winner of this year’s World Brewer’s Cup, which sounds like a nice idea (a deserved win, I’m sure). But then Kyle decided to forego the hand grinder aspect of the method and decided the Zerno was what he ought to promote…er, sorry, I mean ‘use’…making said video look like a Zerno puff piece (with a nod to TWW).

Now the 64mm Zerno appears in the 80mm-ish grinder showdown? Whatever the Zerno’s merits it’s starting to look like product placement.

whinmoor85

Cuprajake I watched it all and he definitely covered a lot.

The recommendations were a bit all over the place - Timemore are quirky but good value for money, DF83 again good value for money with a preference to use for espresso, Niche Duo is a good grinder but the DF83 is better value in Canada and the Timemore are more interesting. Overall he preferred the Zerno because he reckons the tighter tolerances and pre-alignment makes it better than the other grinders.

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