I have just bought a new Moca grinder for single dosing, following the review of @"tompoland"#121. I thought I would start a new thread sharing some of my own experience of this grinder over the coming months. I am doing this, as other than the superb review from Tom, this is still quite an unknown grinder. It is also my first forage into SD grinding. My current grinder is a Eureka Mignon Specialita. My coffee machine is a Profitec Pro 600 DB machine. All of this has been purchased from Bella Barista. The courier (DPD) arrived today. Lead-time from ordering was quick.. 23rd Feb ordered and delivery 9th Mar. Well packaged from Bella Barista, the first box comes with beans for free [URL=https://i.imgur.com/nNbv6Tb.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/nNbv6Tb.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Then the next box from Olympia - this is their shipping box. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/fqPVftg.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/fqPVftg.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/Xh4IyL5.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Xh4IyL5.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Within the BB box are some burr seasoning beans from BB, hidden in the foam chips [URL=https://i.imgur.com/rhRZw3U.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rhRZw3U.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Nicely sealed from the factory [URL=https://i.imgur.com/zc4CPkQ.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zc4CPkQ.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Another box! - Like Russian dolls [URL=https://i.imgur.com/bKlUG2s.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/bKlUG2s.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The packaging is impressive. Bespoke cut cardboard layers to house the RDT spray bottle and the cap of the dosing funnel. The grind adjustment knob can be seen in the middle. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/Yz8QoNo.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Yz8QoNo.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Machined aluminum - weighty and impressive [URL=https://i.imgur.com/maacBtb.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/maacBtb.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Here is the next layer.. again great packing. The dosing funnel, the small tray for the workspace under the grinding chute and of course the main machine. I went Red and Silver as I think the nicest contrast. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/SOqvNLZ.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SOqvNLZ.jpg[/IMG][/URL] This dosing funnel is insane. Machined aluminium with a specific trap door in the bottom that opens as the unit is rotated as covered in Tom's video review. Really solid. Gentle smell of machined gears and oil wafts from the box like a fresh set car part. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/cheaCi1.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/cheaCi1.jpg[/IMG][/URL] And here it is.. Very weighty and compact as the other reviews have covered. Feels very solid.. but we will come onto the panels.. An area I think is ripe for a tweak.. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/bhinUey.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/bhinUey.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The magnetic machined adjustment knob.. Very nice rotation and movement. As others have said.. Really this needs to have numerical markings. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/jWqyaDp.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jWqyaDp.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The front badge [URL=https://i.imgur.com/FinfMTJ.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FinfMTJ.jpg[/IMG][/URL] And now the unit together. This feel more like attaching a prime lens to a DSLR. The design may have changed as it seems to fit easily (compared with Tom's review). three lugs. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/GYEyIbF.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/GYEyIbF.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

This grinder has had some minor criticism for the noise it makes (I have not yet turned it on).. But this video shows the how 'biscuit tin' the folded metal panels are and as an audio person, would seem very open to deadening with some inside material.. Listen to the case.. https://youtube.com/shorts/hLAxPDsrOTw?feature=share @"DrForinor"#772 you mentioned you are interested to follow this :-)

@"M5Sime"#p39212 I certainly am very interested if you decide to experiment with some sound deadening, as I feel that would improve it also. Interested to follow your longer term thoughts on this grinder! 🙂

And here is a quick video of the machined bean hopper. https://youtube.com/shorts/S-XxbT-JSLw?feature=share

Enjoying the little details that you've posted.

Will enjoy this - only have a hand grinder so far. Its a big expense with lots of other options - but I do like well engineered equipment !

@"MattH"#p39223 Glad you are.. This is a leap of faith over my £350 ish (I recall) Eureka grinder. Clearly a large amount of the cost is in the OE platform - the EK7 bought in from Ditting. Then the machined hopper is going to be a chunk of cost. The metal surround.. It could be better, but I guess budget ran out to make a solid margin.

Following with interest. Always worthwhile having fresh eyes to discover new insights. Thanks for the effort you are going to in sharing with this community @"M5Sime"#855

So.. an update. I have been working with the grinder last night and this morning (yet to pull a shot). I did a mini teardown as part of a burr cleaning exercise and find some interesting aspects: 1. The grinder is quite shrill in noise (the motor) 2. The grinder leaps (twists) with the motor torque.. I believe this is exacerbated by the free mounted motor and belt pulley design. The motor hanger allows for twist (slop). It means on every power up, the motor swings a little inside the chassis and self centers when up-to speed. A bit odd really, but I assume essential to the mechanism to allow the grind setting to change (didn't like this myself). In fact, a soft start would be nice to build RPM (but get that would have to be a small delay in workflow to allow the motor to get stable before dropping beans in). 3. The burr alignment was good, but to immaculate.. Touching started in a high spot (bit see more on this) 4. Overall nicely built.. So while this grinder seems a little 'uncouth' for the epitome of Swiss perfection, I find it OK.. Onto the grind setting. As covered with others - the grinder on min distance has the burrs lightly touching and yet the grind is far off from a standard espresso. I got a lot of fines also.. The already covered process of going tighter (removing the adjustment knob and re-fitting on the hex shaft a 1/4 turn or so to give more of a shift in adjustment.. I find that the burrs are actively meshing (the top flat edge, the teeth).. Still the espresso setting is only just getting there.. It is almost as if the EK7 platform is meant to have some microns of burr edge removed as part of the bedding-in.. This concerns me as we are at touching point and not fine enough for espresso.. There is plenty (huge) amounts of motor torque and belt gear advantage to skim the surfaces on one another.. But this seems different to my existing grinder.. Overall.. so far mixed feelings.. Not awfully Swiss (in stereotype).. Like your Rolex watch needing the clasp operating for a month overly tightly until it beds-in.. Moca SD Owners @"tompoland"#121, @"DrForinor"#772 - how does this compare with your ownership experience?? Best S

It does seem very odd - especially as Olympus seem to have stated they recommend not changing the setting on the machine. but then it sounds like its not set out of the factory to be able to grind espresso properly ? I guess a email to them might help clear this up one way or the other ? Sure @"tompoland"#121 will be along with some thoughts.. he does have 2 of them in operation:)

Motor being shrill ,I agree, it's not a "nice sound" IMO. As far as leaping, I'm not able to determine one way or another. Burr alignment, I didn't take it apart enough to be able to see. I hated the grommet in place which means you can't rotate the grind dial fully so I have completely removed it. I'm no engineer but I wish they could have designed something better to "protect" the burrs. As my initial shot, I seasoned with at least 3-4kg through it before pulling my second shot and there was a huge difference in grind size after the seasoning. And I would suggest the seasoning still isn't complete from what I'm seeing in mine. Mixed feelings: I totally agree!! I love it because of what I get in the cup, but is that because it's a flat burr? I knew before going into this that flat burrs would suit me much better than conical (and after using 3 conicals, 2 of which were good quality hand grinders) I can wholeheartedly say that flats are for me. I have no experience with any other flat burr grinder so cannot compare, I may have loved any other flat just as much. As far as the "Swiss-ness" goes, I am not impressed I have to admit. It feels bomb proof for sure, but the user experience as a whole isn't excellent - for this price (and being Swiss) and did anticipate better.

Olympia Moca SD - UK Review

tompoland

Amberale got the original Italmill burrs but the Mazzers are a world apart. Bombora has the Mazzer for around $227+gst + shipping. Not too bad for reinvirgoring your HG1 which has one of the smoothest grinding action of any benchtop hand grinder that I’ve tied. Silky smooooth espresso AA.

Amberale

tompoland

Unfortunately Bombora is wholesale only.
Also at that price they are probably the 0186c (71mm robor burrs).
There has been a fair bit of discussion about “real” Mazzer burrs and "Original Replacement Mazzer burrs.
The coated burrs are only available from Weber and are over $400aud>

tompoland

DavecUK the fact that they are Ditting was also in the main body and in the manufacturers right of replay in the review which is in the Knowledge base.

I’d love to know what other grinders have these burrs if anyone knows.

Cuprajake

tompoland I skimmed the review but didn’t see that fwiw it’s not on the official website, or if it is it’s well hidden.

DavecUK

tompoland Pretty much all grinder companies owned by Hemro Group.

tompoland

Ernie1 it’s a common complaint from Moca owners. But TBH after a few months with it, I"ve gotten used to it. It’s a grinder that is incredibly consistent and predictable when it comes to dial changes (like the Niche) and the reality is that every new batch of beans has to be dialled in anyway. That said, I’d prefer to haver numbers like the Niche or most other grinders but the espresso is so good from the Moca I’ll live with being numberless. Where it becomes a problem is trying to communicate with others regarding a particular dial setting.

tompoland

Amberale AA just apply for an account and give a trading name eg. Amber Coffee. They are not too discerning otherwise I wouldn’t have an account 😀

And they are really great to deal with. They sorted out the non-OEM burr issue I had. I just needed to get one step up from an admin person and it all got fixed fast.

tompoland

Cuprajake

I mention them several times starting in the exec summary. Here’s the relevant section from the manufacturer’s right of reply at the bottom of the review…

About the burrs: Yes, you are right, Ditting rates them at 1000kg. We got the data from an older datasheet where they rated the same burrs at 300kg. (Which is more than enough and more realistic in our opinion.)

tompoland

DavecUK thanks Dave. So … for example Anfin and HeyCafe?

Cuprajake

tompoland

i had another look and its right at the top 😳 ill be honest i skimmed it as its not really a product that interests me, im never going to have that money to drop on a grinder now,

only commenting on this thread as the forums are little slow of late

Ernie1

Cuprajake only commenting on this thread as the forums are little slow of late

That’s probably because nobody can get on!

I seem to have issues 50% of the time, either unusably slow, UI errors or just can’t get on at all. I must admit I’ve stopped visiting as regularly the past few weeks due to access problems.

tompoland

Cuprajake sure, understood, it’s on the long side 🙄 TLDR territory

DavecUK

Ernie1 I’m surprised, not really having any problems, it’s been a bit sluggish of late due to (forum rebuilds) after the problems last week. I suspect there are still a few issues, but we do get priority in bringing our forum up, of course that means we suffer the general slow down while the others are all bought up and fixed.

Now I did enable one or two modules, so I might disable them, just in case they are causing problems, or there might be another module causing problems….but I am loathe to remove too much functionality, as I think it just might be the servers and software upgrade.

DavecUK

DavecUK I disabled the enhanced reactions module, which was a new function and removed some CSS code I used to fix another module, but as it wasn’t working I removed it. However the CSS remained, so it might have slowed things down?

Lets see if it improves…If it does, I’'ll add the reactions module back, just in case it was coincidence.

Cuprajake

Emojis have gone 😭

But yeah it’s been hard for me to access

Ernie1

I totally understand the need for keeping it updated. I briefly worked for a tech company at one point and the scale of cyberattack attempts (we’re talking enormous numbers every day) that the security team had to deal with makes you realise that keeping things up to date is crucial regardless of subject matter or site size.

MediumRoastSteam

Cuprajake

@tompoland name dropped twice

In the df64v and again for the Olympia 47min in

tompoland

Cuprajake

… blush …

MediumRoastSteam

I watched the whole thing. I quite enjoyed it.

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