I am interested in trying out a 98mm grinder as it represents a different enough profile from my 64mm grinders to usefully try out in my view. However, whilr the kafatek max looks to be a great grinder but the sticker shock is just too much for my meagre budget. I am holding out for a much cheaper 98mm grinder to emerge in the next couple of years that produces good enough results to challenge a Max…
On prices, some tools are going to cost more than our budgets and that’s fine. There are some home enthusiasts who have the wherewithal to purchase a Slayer or a synesso hydra or a LM LEVA X or even a kvdw idro slim jim 2 group machine on their home kitchen counter - is it a waste of money? It maybe to us but it isn’t to them. Live and let live because there’s always something that can give similar results that will arise nearer our price point in the fulness of time.
On performance you don’t know until you try the moonraker for yourself if it will give better performance for you…if the moonraker is too expensive for you, the etsy tool is less than a tenth of its price and has a similar randomised movement but with probably a faster spin.
Problems with 98mm grinders is the burrs are £500
That’s pretty much the price of a duo, so your going to be £1500 for a cheap 98mm grinder imo
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chlorox If the dlc burrs in the df64v r said to approach the ssp burrs quality
Who is saying this, as I actually have a DF64V?
Please remember there is a great deal of difference in a coated tool steel burr vs a coated stainless steel burr. This doesn’t even include manufacturing and materials quality. I have said before the major "quality burr manufacturers cannot use Chinese steel for burrs. Paolo won’t use their stainless in his machines, the quality is just too poor..
we have a manufacturing firm next door, massive multi million pound business, and they say the same about steel, that the price has shot up, and depending on origin of manufacture it can be junk, the guy said the some steel on rolls isnt even the same thickness all on the roll.
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chlorox My DF64V is working fine, but I honestly have not been able to spend much time on it, as I have other projects.
The issue is that no one really knows that the burrs are good, they can state it, but in all a “member” may not be in possession of many facts. I can’t “know” they won’t be as good as coated tool steel burrs, or even regular tool steel. My suspicion based on past experience and knowledge of the market is that there’s a fairly good chance they won’t be.
That said, you can always put in known brand burrs in it….just factor that additional cost as a realistic possibility.
Pompeyexile Hilarious how some do look for lab/science ‘data’ as numbers will never match taste, experience, etc. People really should just focus on what works for them and not buy into all the hyped garbage littering daily life as we know it. I was stirring clumps when John Weiss was in diapers and still use the same tool I came up with way back then. The fanboy spin some put on basic techniques is a bit much.
I wonder how many folks actually have the taste buds to spot these differences, as opposed to those who think they can spot the differences
dfk41 some of the differences are surprisingly stark. I thought I was in the camp of not being able to taste the difference but trial runs in the grinder lab* have confirmed otherwise. A heck of a lot depends on the burrs. SSP HU are poles apart from Gorrilla Gear but then I found the difference between two large conicals to be indistinguishable.
tompoland I can only imagine what you are able to experience Tom! I quickly learned to accept that I make two types of drink……..ones I sing and ones I drink!
back to back to back tasting is easier, tasting from memory is hard, and as everybody tastes different it makes it even harder haha - ive long thought that its very incremental to the point most will make good coffee and up.
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When I said laboratory testing I really meant blind taste testing in controlled coditions using the same machines, beans, grinders, water etc etc. But… as has been said, some people’s ability to taste any differences once you get down to the minutia of some things varies massively, and again subjectivity may also come into it.
If my taste buds were that good they could define the difference between using a £300 plus WDT tool and a £38 one, then I would probably be the best paid food critic in the world.
while id never buy one, if it adds consistency then it will help, thats why i love the force tamper
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but if you’re tasting the difference between 25.5% - 26 -26.5% extraction given the device can read out by that much you’re a much better man than me, haha
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John weiss got his first degree in 1974 and is a retired college professor. So weiss was probably in diapers in the early 1950s or late 1940s. Since the first true espresso machine was inthw late 1940s, for you to be using wdt when he was in diapers, u would then need to be one of the original pipneers of espresso coffee if u were already using wdt in the late 1940s not to mention u would need to be more than a hundred years old by now.
https://dailycoffeenews.com/2022/12/14/what-is-wdt-in-espresso-we-talked-to-its-creator-john-weiss/
depends on the shill, i mean influenc - person,
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