Niche - New Prices
chlorox I an glad to see thta niche has responded to the feedback and corrected their pricing model for the duo. Now the price is much more attractive. Are there any plans to add SSP burrs to the burrs offered for the niche duo?
Are you now considering buying one, I thought you were buying the Timemore?
Nope I cancelled my support for the timemoee kickstarter after seeing hedrick’s review of the 78s. I figured that from the sound of it, it may not add more than what I am already getting with my 64mm ssp burrs and the risk was such that i would rather wait for the 78s to be sold widely and for more user reportsto emerge.
chlorox - the main issue I believe is that the Niche has been fine tuned to operate with the supplied burrs. I’m not talking about a 2 day test and some waffling followed by a YouTube video, I’m talking about almost 2 years of constant testing and successive refinement. Don’t ask me how I know this… 😉
For Niche to start offering different burrs at this stage would go against their reputation and principles. Maybe in the future they might offer if follow extensive testing, but I can’t see this happening anytime soon. Also… SSP burrs are a tiny minuscule fraction of their market (going by Niche Zero numbers they sold a lot of grinders. If they do offer, would they be able to cope with demand? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
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Agreed, they’ll want to do a truckload of testing with alternative burrs before they sell any. And it may simply be something they have no interest in.
Dave has started with a mini test with 2x SSP burrs. The key issue I suspect is the burr dimensions. I’m equipped with a dozen or so burr sets the Micrometer that Dave recommends and I will initially measure all burr sets and record.
Based on my testing to date with variousvgrinders, the significant (and helpful) difference with the Duo versus the DF83 is that the former uses coil springs versus the latter’s wave spring which gives the Duo a fraction greater depth tolerance. Meaning it will tolerate a marginally thicker burr than the DF83.
tompoland - there’s more to it though. Will it pack the burrs in an optimal way leading to close to zero retention, will it grind at an acceptable speed, will it have enough torque from a “cold” start, etc,etc.
testing testing testing!
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Agreed. Lots to unpack. But measuring is the first step. And as I take each step I’m in touch with James N. He’s in the loop. And I’m sure Dave will be as generous as ever with guidance too.
People will still put SSP in there regardless, just because.
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Cuprajake - oh no doubt. But then it’s at their own risk, as you said in an earlier post.
Yeah
Niche won’t supply another burr, it’s not in their interest. It’s also not in their interest to supply blank carriers, esp when they know people will fit non recommended burrs and while I have no worries the motor will take them it’s a warranty nightmare for niche.
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Cuprajake - yep. I see the point. Will they offer burr sets including carrier for those who wish to try filter/espresso? Maybe they will, and then those willing to swap burrs may just use that. Same for all those who bought the Duo with both burr sets. I bet people will try things out.
Thing is, if they don’t and there’s demand, someone (aftermarket) will. They will simply copy the part, which I bet might cause even more damage due to poor standards and tolerances on manufacturing of those by third parties. Interesting times ahead in this segment for sure.
MediumRoastSteam If I were Niche, I would not supply anything in addition to your original purchase.. It just becomes too complicated. They are in the market of supplying grinders they designed. If you really want to play around, if it means that much too you, then do what @tompoland did and buy two! Most of this SSP chat is pure guff, the sort that forums seem to specialise in
dfk41 you really want to play around, if it means that much too you, then do what @tompoland did and buy two
I personally would use as it comes. I have no interest in spending silly money on a burr set. I don’t know where you got that idea from!
But there are two things I read about:
- quite a few enthusiasts (Not me!) bought the duo to try different burr sets.
- There are enthusiasts on Home Barista who already have the burr sets and can’t wait to receive their Duo with both burr sets so they can install their SSP burrs instead of having the filter burrs.
I have an email exchange with Niche and they say they might offer the separate filter burr set including carrier as spares in the future. Not sure how this will work, but my question was aimed at those who bought the duo with espresso burr set only and in the future would like to venture out in the filter territory. Whether they will or not only time will tell.
MediumRoastSteam I’ve seen a lot of references to burr packing or feed rate especially when brought up with RPM but little to no in depth discussions on its effects in particular, do we know this has a significant impact and if so why?
Cuprajake why do you think the motor will take it when it’s not been tested for aftermarket burrs? If anything the GG burrs stalling in the NZ shows that this is not a given, no matter how well optimised the motor is for the original Mazzers.
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FadedFrontiers re: burr packing. I don’t. All I know is that the Duo has been tested extensively and there’s an optimal speed for given burrs. Dave discussed this in one of his posts in one of the threads. I’ll see if I can find it, but don’t hold your breath!
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https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/972-flat-burr-niche-mod/31
https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/1713-df64v-variable-speed-ongoing-review/58
https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/1605-niche-duo-83mm-flat/96
MediumRoastSteam I personally would use as it comes. I have no interest in spending silly money on a burr set. I don’t know where you got that idea from!
My bad grammar! It was only the first sentence that was aimed at you!
FadedFrontiers why do you think the motor will take it when it’s not been tested for aftermarket burrs? If anything the GG burrs stalling in the NZ shows that this is not a given, no matter how well optimised the motor is for the original Mazzers.
Go find a grinder that will grind green coffee from a standing start! If it will do that, it’s going to grind with other burrs. The HU espresso and the Brew SSPs work fine in the grinder. In fact the Espresso SSP burrs take almost 50% longer to grind, which clearly means the grinder is under even less load with those compared to the supplied espresso burrs.
The espresso burr is the one used on the Royal and is a single/3 phase burr.