Because I’ve used it 1 with SSP and 2 I’ve ground high altitude green beans with it,
From my dealings with niche they were very hesitant to going anywhere near SSP.
Now is that just a supply chain thing maybe,
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Being Devil’s advocate here:
To @FadedFrontiers ’s point, it’s a fact the Gorilla burrs stalled the Niche Zero. So maybe the motor of the Zero is not as strong as the Duo? Or maybe the the Gorilla burrs cause more load on the motor? (Contrary to SSP). Will the Zero grind green coffee from a standing start? (No, I’m not testing it!)
But to @DavecUK ’s and @Cuprajake ’s point, I think it is acceptable the Duo is more than capable of handling SSP burrs given the comments above.
IIRC from Dave, it’s the same motor, same gear box, and custom wound for Duo (hence different). The zero perhaps consume a bit more power than the duo.
Re-load on the motor, I did raise this point / doubt elsewhere on this thread earlier and in my chat with Dave that sporting another burrs set might put more pressure on the motor (and gear box). It might therefore require different customisation, RPM, and prolonged testing for a given burrs set than designed and tested for mazzer. We won’t know unless alternate burrs are tested extensively.
Perhaps, are these the reason why the other grinders have significantly significantly higher motor power and faster RPM? But, some may still stall.
MediumRoastSteam Will the Zero grind green coffee from a standing start? (No, I’m not testing it!)
Dave or James from Niche can test and advise us! 😁
I’ve been told of another forum that the zero can stall with light roasts, I’ve never seen it personally, but it’s possible.
But for me it’s never been a light roast grinder
And if you are ‘into’ light roasts you wouldn’t go straight for a niche zero imo. You would already be looking at flats, the burr set in the zero is a middle of the road for me, it’s good enough for Joe bloggs who just wants coffee and it’s good enough for us nerd who want a bit more out of coffee. Don’t forget, and I can believe I’m saying this, but the zero is a cheap grinder, esp for when it came out.
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DavecUK Go find a grinder that will grind green coffee from a standing start! If it will do that, it’s going to grind with other burrs.
I would have expected the Niche Zero to have been able to as well given the similarities with the Duo, so in that case the Zero is incapable of it?
LMSC It might therefore require different customisation, RPM, and prolonged testing for a given burrs set than designed and tested for mazzer. We won’t know unless alternate burrs are tested extensively.
Exactly my point, not been done and that’s fine but there’s now a rush to create aftermarket 83mm burrs so more will be appearing. Can’t rule out NZ GG happening again but with a new pair of 83mms in the future.
Regarding Niche selling extra burr carriers, that’s not going to stop people swapping out burrs regardless. They might as well make extra money from it and have the disclaimer that warranties are void if using other burrs or something.
The duo has been tested with SSP burrs. The grinder just isn’t optimal for SSP burrs as its be designed round the mazzer burr. That’s all.
Conicals are different to flats, they require more torque,
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Cuprajake then there’s nothing for Niche to fear, no reason to miss out on selling extra carriers. If they’ve been so thoroughly tested and there’s no reason to worry about the motor handling them then optimal speeds or other taste-related issues shouldn’t matter. You’re always going to have to deal with user error with warranty claims anyway.
The Mazzer 83mms are well made burrs and no doubt handle lights better than the Zero’s 63mms but that doesn’t mean every user will be satisfied with them over burrs designed for them or other purposes, like the MPs which were designed for light roasts over more traditional espresso. If people want to fork out more to change the burrs for their tastes then what’s the issue.
FadedFrontiers but that doesn’t mean every user will be satisfied with them over burrs designed for them or other purposes
Easy peasy……do not buy one, or two then
Variety is the spice of life, there’s like a bazillion grinders so sure people can find what they like.
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Guess it’s a good thing you two aren’t the ones making business decisions for Niche then, just constantly defending them 😆
FadedFrontiers Regarding Niche selling extra burr carriers, that’s not going to stop people swapping out burrs regardless. They might as well make extra money from it and have the disclaimer that warranties are void if using other burrs or something.
It’s a double edged sword, IMO. On the one hand, they could make extra money as there is a market for it. I rather see Niche get that marker share than any one else. On the other, a risk of unfair comments and reviews of “I told you so” popping up should the duo motor (probably not meant for any other burrs set) get stressed because of mounting burrs set not intended to be used without full testing, design and customisation. Reminds me of how certain quarters view Zero.
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End of the day, it’s good for the customers.
FadedFrontiers I would have expected the Niche Zero to have been able to as well given the similarities with the Duo, so in that case the Zero is incapable of it?
Why is that then…what similarities do you percieve?
FadedFrontiers yeah we have to put up with alot of trolls sadly, across various platforms, luckily most forums let’s you hide people, it’s a great feature…👋
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Cuprajake yeah we have to put up with alot of trolls sadly, across various platforms, luckily most forums let’s you hide people, it’s a great feature…👋
Like others on here I’m asking genuine questions and giving my opinion but getting defensive short, replies that often miss the point to automatically defend Niche’s every decision. Hypocritical to liken that to trolling when it’s fine to express critical thought about any other grinder manufacturer on the planet. But no, if any YouTuber doesn’t share your opinion then they’re the biased one?
DavecUK Why is that then…what similarities do you percieve?
As the replies a few posts above, motor, gears, etc. I went searching but couldn’t find confirmation, was aware of different torque requirements but wasn’t aware of the Mazzers in the Zero stalling with some roasts until just pointed out now. Surprised since I recall hearing how the Zero was also extensively stress tested with all kinds of beans.
I’m with @FadedFrontiers here. Although I personally don’t have any interest in using the niche apart from how it’s been designed and how it came out of the box, some people will, if that’s what floats their boat.
And if Niche provides a platform where these can be easily done with fast interchangeable burr carriers, that’s great and a huge selling point. Maybe Niche will have a list of “accredited burrs” or something. Who knows.
Of course there’s always a risk for the end user, but Niche should cover that in their disclaimer and warranty policy. Users cannot make complaints for not using equipment as intended. It’s like buying a new car and put wheels bigger than what’s designed for and then complain the vehicle is not working as it should.
FadedFrontiers As the replies a few posts above, motor, gears, etc. I went searching but couldn’t find confirmation, was aware of different torque requirements but wasn’t aware of the Mazzers in the Zero stalling with some roasts until just pointed out now. Surprised since I recall hearing how the Zero was also extensively stress tested with all kinds of beans.
It was, I stress tested it with the Mazzers and couldn’t stall them. Do you have the link to where it was posted that the Niche Zero grinder stalled with light roasts and the original Mazzer burrs. So a few questions to clarify?
I know it’s a lot of questions, because I’m quite puzzled, in that the Mazzer Kony burrs are not only excellent burrs but have an unusual characteristic in a conical burr. As you go finer, the burr doesn’t load up, so it actually never gets any harder to move. This was not the case with the Italmill burrs and I suspect the same for the Gorilla Gear ones, touted as a better replacement for Mazzers in the Niche Zero relatively recently.
The circuit board does have a cut out on it, so in the unusual circumstance that the motor tries to draw too much power, it will cut the power. This needs to be quite a lot of power though, I can only say more than 200% (commercial confidence). Could it have been this single component (possibly faulty) on the board which was cutting out earlier than it should…which might explain it if it was only 1 or 2 grinders out of the many units sold
FadedFrontiers Like others on here I’m asking genuine questions and giving my opinion but getting defensive short, replies that often miss the point to automatically defend Niche’s every decision.
Well you got a nice long reply from me that’s not defensive, So I await your detailed comments with interest, as you must have put some thought into this prior to posting. I think I have managed to grasp the point of your post and I’m not defending any decision of Niche. In fact I would be interested in what decisions you think are being defended by others on the forum.
Your more than welcome to express considered critical thought on the Niche…but don’t be surprised if people ask for details…as I am. The weight I put on an opinion is directly proportional to the effort people put in to making them. As always, carefully considered opinions are the lifeblood of any forum and should be considered a “gift” by all……Over to you. 🙂
DavecUK I was referring to Jake’s post, and it wasn’t a central part of my point either. And it doesn’t answer my question about whether the Zero could handle green beans?
For what’s worth…
I remember well @HVL87 had a Zero with a motor which would stall with light roasts. I remember seeing videos. He then contacted Niche and, to no one’s surprise, the motor was swiftly replaced and I don’t believe he had any problems since.
