DF64 Gen 2
tompoland It may be worth pointing out that a decibel reading is not quite the whole story. Add a high frequency or pitch to the noise and it can really intensify the sound.
Completely true — dB is only one facet of experiencing sound.
In my case, the sound from my grinder is qualitatively more annoying than my previous one. But by moving from my old grinder to my current one, I went from 30s of a less annoying sound to <10s of a more annoying one. I much prefer the <10s experience.
DF64 Gen 2 might be the loudest but also sounds like the most tolerable one. DF64v sounds like a nightmare
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BrewLiam the Duo wins hand down in the quality department for sure, and not just the sound.
In the UK the pricing of the Duo makes it very competitive. The following is not to speak to you point, which I agree with, more about general musings….
When people choose a grinder there are few factors they typically weigh up: in-cup-result, aethetics, footprint, workflow, engineering (if they have enough knowledge) and of course price.
Just on the latter alone however, a single burr set Duo can be landed here in Australia for around the AU$1,400 mark including shipping and import charges (the same grinder will set you back around AU$2,000 if you buy locally).
The DF64 Gen 2 can be landed here for AU643. Add $50 to upgrade to DLC burrs and it is a very attractive option for people who want to save a bob or two. I expect them to be around the AU$750 mark when they are made available locally.
I really like my Duo for sure, but looking at the choice (here in Austalia at least) for a new buyer wondering which grinder to buy, both the Gen 2 with DLC burrs and the Duo are both going to produce a very nice in-the-cup result but the Gen 2 can do do for less than half the price.
It’s not too dissimilar in the UK depending on where you buy from. The Duo is £658 from Niche but the DF64 gen2 can be had from df64coffee for ~£365 so it’s not far off double for the Niche.
Dusk £365 so it’s not far off double for the Niche.
Maybe there is a reason for that price difference?
Dusk Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a bit, maybe not all.
There are differences
- declared value (VAT impact)
- Tax location of company
- Special subsidised shipping rate (perversely, subsidised by our taxes)
- long term support
- Market dumping
If the Chinese keep on, eventually there won’t be any bricks and mortar retailers left and the only place to buy a grinder will be online from China….which would be a very bad thing for the consumer.
DavecUK eventually there won’t be any bricks and mortar retailers left and the only place to buy a grinder will be online from China….which would be a very bad thing for the consumer.
Appreciate Niche is a British company. But essentially… we are buying it online, and from China. Maybe they keep some stock in the UK, I don’t know. But the point being is that it boils down to money at the end of the day. One could argue it would benefit the UK economy if they had a factory here, but then it would be very unlikely they would be able to sell for the prices they do.
MediumRoastSteam But essentially… we are buying it online, and from China
Don’t be daft! You are buying it online, direct from the company that manufacture and designed it, and supply a fantastic warranty. China assemble it and have no other input. If you were buying direct from a Chinese based company and it goes wrong, what do you think would happen
dfk41 - I get it. But we are buying a fantastic product online and from china, are we not ? Or did you go to a bricks and mortar shop to buy yours? 😉
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MediumRoastSteam Appreciate Niche is a British company. But essentially… we are buying it online, and from China. Maybe they keep some stock in the UK, I don’t know.
You are buying online from the UK and from a UK company who pays taxes and VAT as appropriate in the UK. In Europe or other countries local VAT and Taxes are paid by individuals as there is no under declaration. Also your consumer rights are maintained. It is a very different business model to the Chinese grinder company (ies). These companies rely on people not realising this.
MediumRoastSteam I went to the Niche UK based online store. Niche sell in the UK and across the world so all sales pay into the UK economy in one way or another. So, presuming the building Niche store their stock in is built from bricks and mortar, then you have answered your own, not so clever question
I’m still confused. What if I stocked lots of the same Chinese made grinders, built a nice and polished website, paid all my UK taxes and offered a two year no quibbles guarantee? Would that be acceptable?
MediumRoastSteam I’m still confused. What if I stocked lots of the same Chinese made grinders, built a nice and polished website, paid all my UK taxes and offered a two year no quibbles guarantee? Would that be acceptable?
Perfectly, but that is not the Chinese way of doing things
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dfk41 - understood. However, the company in question here according to this post:
Dusk It’s not too dissimilar in the UK depending on where you buy from. The Duo is £658 from Niche but the DF64 gen2 can be had from df64coffee for £365 so it’s not far off double for the Niche.
Is an American Singaporean distributor. Not a Chinese company.
So I’m still confused. Honestly.
MediumRoastSteam df64coffee is based in Singapore and has a regional distribution license. Each region has a different distributor. In the US the distributor is Turin Grinders but Espresso Outlet may have a license too. Not sure. It may be that the US is such a bit market that there is more than one distributor. Here in Australia it’s Coffee Tech.