This year looks to be a good one for Host Milan. I've had a quick look round while ACS is setting up. I have already seen the ECM stand a This year looks to be a good one for host Milan. I've had a quick look round while ACS is setting up. And have already seen the ECM stand and La Marzoccob; plus a new induction prosumer machine from a manufacturer I don't know. Will bring more news on this in later days. The ACS stand this year is looking really sharp, it's a big improvement on previous years stands. For this reason I will Only take a picture once it's fully set up. We actually drove all night to get to Milan from Naples. It took us a very long time and we didn't get any sleep. Arrived at about 10 am the morning and started setting up straight away. I'm sure we will all sleep very well tonight.

Induction heater or mistype of introduction?

@"Loonster"#p54631 Induction heating

@"DavecUK"#p54632 All prosumers are using resistive heating I suppose? Wonder if there is any benefit of induction heating. Maybe they just want to be different

> @"delta76"#p54634 Wonder if there is any benefit of induction heating. Maybe they just want to be different There is no benefit and it's not as efficient. The induction efficiency thing is usually vs gas cookers which waste a lot of heat. A heating element immersed in water it very efficient in comparison. As always though, it depends on the specific implementation.

@"DavecUK"#p54637, internal heating elements are nearly 100% efficient. Induction heaters are around 84% for stoves. Maybe a little higher for an espresso machine. I will also assume that the exterior of the tank is the induction element. This would make the machine also have higher standby losses (higher delta T). Maybe it is about speed of heating? The surface area of the induction element might be bigger. It would be interesting to see the volume size of the boiler in relation to the wattage of the heater. Or maybe it is hysteresis? I'm just guessing plausible reasons. Very curious to the reasons. It's likely more expensive, so wouldn't do it without a good reason.

@"Loonster"#p54645 my best is that so they can market it as new and exciting. Not necessary a pro from technical standpoint Prosumer market is so saturated now so new players need something new to enter and set a foothold

@"delta76"#p54649 For sure? There is an Additional level of complexity for using an induction heater. This just potentially gives more to go wrong than just using a standard /long life heating element and probably a lot more expensive to replace or repair some of the electronics. I said before heating elements are 100% efficient. When immersed in water in the boiler. And sometimes just no need to try and "improve" on these things.

ACS stand looking really good. [URL=https://i.imgur.com/MgAvmQH.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/MgAvmQH.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/HzC8XkQ.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/HzC8XkQ.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/UHKC20v.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UHKC20v.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=https://i.imgur.com/jYarAPC.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jYarAPC.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

https://youtu.be/WCsyvB3EfT8?si=bQsL20ryv8N_WGM_

@"DavecUK"#p54688 neat. how much is the vostok 1 group btw, can't seem to find its price

Host Milan 2023

DavecUK

Proof Lelit are alive and well….New machines in development

Me with two of the brothers, head designer Mauro on my left…one clever guy.

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK Proof Lelit are alive and well….New machines in development

Anything which can be shared at this stage? I’m assuming they didn’t bring anything new for this year’s Host?

DavecUK

To beautiful dual boiler machines from quick mill. With either a vibration pump or rotary pump, quick will have some of the best case finishing in the business.

JWSG

DavecUK

That much is obvious… I was thinking more along the lines of why get the Vostok when the Evo Leva has every single feature that it has in a smaller package, and probably at a similar price?

dfk41

JWSG The Vostok is a monster that will not fit on most work benches. I is also part of a family that now has 1,2,3 and 4 groups available.

Loonster

JWSG

I like the styling of the Vostok more.

Loonster

The controls look more refined on the Evo (Better placement, more ergonomic).

Loonster

Loonster The controls look more refined on the Evo (Better placement, more ergonomic).

I just noticed that the controls and 2nd screen were moved to the right side on the Vostok. I think this is an aesthetic improvement.

(I still think the Evo controls look more refined.)

Uncletits

DavecUK any idea what the Falcon will cost?

MediumRoastSteam

DavecUK - will the falcon I with option of lever rather than automatic be a full E61 or will it just be a pseudo lever which simply activates a microswitch but the group is still operated by a solenoid?

Personally I’m not a big fan of touchscreens. Turning the brew switch on and off by means of touching a screen - rather than touching a button - is not something I personally would enjoy, but I much prefer a solenoid activated E61 rather than a mechanical one.

DavecUK

MediumRoastSteam Falcon I can come with Solenoid E61 or lever E61.. I’ve Already specified a button to start and stop the shot that will be placed higher up and more conveniently on the panel. Because I like the option of to being able to operate it by a touch screen or button, as I choose, is best.

Price is not fixed yet.

Abstracted

MediumRoastSteam Falcon I can come with Solenoid E61 or lever E61.. I’ve Already specified a button to start and stop the shot that will be placed higher up and more conveniently on the panel. Because I like the option of to being able to operate it by a touch screen or button, as I choose, is best.

Price is not fixed yet.

DavecUK Lance Hendrick claims that it’ll be under $2,000 USD.

But that doesn’t make sense for it’s feature set and where it sits in their lineup…

DavecUK

MediumRoastSteam Anything which can be shared at this stage? I’m assuming they didn’t bring anything new for this year’s Host?

They didn’tbring anything new really, just some colour options. Of course there are new things in the pipeline but I can’t say much more. I should be getting some things over the next few months but won’t be able to talk about it.

DavecUK

Something I forgot to show….do we like it?

For those Who can’t spot it, under machine lighting….which I only remembered to turn on today! Ironic consideringI asked for it.

Dusk

DavecUK

Very reminiscent of Fast and the Furious, just need them in green.

But jokes aside, I like it

tompoland

DavecUK yep.

pjw

DavecUK Something I forgot to show

Does ACS has any relationship with Saka.

I enjoy those coffees a lot, in Poland both ACS and Saka have the same distributor.

I am just wondering.

Loonster

I’ve read that the Nurri has a black group head that looks really sharp. Do you have a picture of it?

DavecUK

Loonster I’ve read that the Nurri has a black group head that looks really sharp. Do you have a picture of it?

Not yet, I will try to get one.

DavecUK

pjw They are sharing our stand we using their coffee. Roasted by Saka owner below and her son the head roaster.

DavecUK

Short video of the Meticulous Espresso machine in action with Mazzers new Philos 64mm grinder

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